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Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

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Ignatius A

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Subduction Zone said:
You are so cute. Please note, almost no one on the left cheered for the person that attempted to assassinate Trump. Reasonable people want to see Trump tried and convicted for his crimes. That is not "hate". They do not want to see him murdered. That would be hate.
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Then you haven't looked in the right place. You know what I love? That leftists don't have the courage to admit how much they hate trump. It's sad to see people so unaware of their own hatred.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Ignatius A said:
Then you haven't looked in the right place. You know what I love? That leftists don't have the courage to admit how much they hate trump. It's sad to see people so unaware of their own hatred.
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If you want to claim "hatred" the burden of proof is upon you. You can find some Democrats that hate, but that does not prove that the left hates. I can find far more Republicans that hate. I can find far more Republicans that are idiots. That does not mean that all of them hate or that all of them are idiots.
 
Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Ignatius A said:
Then you haven't looked in the right place. You know what I love? That leftists don't have the courage to admit how much they hate trump. It's sad to see people so unaware of their own hatred.
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As a Christian, I love everyone - as Jesus commanded. I think Trump has many faults and should never be in power again. But I have no hate. In fact, I can't think of anyone, at least that I know of, who hates him (small, biased sample, I know). It is simply that they think T's many moral failings make him unfit for office.
 
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Ignatius A

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Subduction Zone said:
If you want to claim "hatred" the burden of proof is upon you. You can find some Democrats that hate, but that does not prove that the left hates. I can find far more Republicans that hate. I can find far more Republicans that are idiots. That does not mean that all of them hate or that all of them are idiots.
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There is plenty of evidence of hatred but I can't make blind people see. Things aren't true only when you believe them. The thing is it's not the hatred you have for trump that bothers me it's the pretending you don't hate him thats most disturbing. Youre only lying to yourself but it somehow makes you feel better.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Ignatius A said:
There is plenty of evidence of hatred but I can't make blind people see. Things aren't true only when you believe them. The thing is it's not the hatred you have for trump that bothers me it's the pretending you don't hate him thats most disturbing. Youre only lying to yourself but it somehow makes you feel better.
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I think that you do not even understand the concept of evidence. Evidence has to support a rational testable explanation. So let's start off with your rational testable explanation.
 
Heyo

Heyo

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Ignatius A said:
Fire every one who revolted. The time has come to stop being nice to leftists. Look what happened when Chamberlain tried being nice to hitler.
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It seems it isn't that easy to get rid of revolutionists or to stop being nice to them. Many people are trying hard to "fire" a failed head revolutionist for nearly 4 years now, but he's still out of prison and even running for President.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Ignatius A said:
There is plenty of evidence of hatred but I can't make blind people see. Things aren't true only when you believe them. The thing is it's not the hatred you have for trump that bothers me it's the pretending you don't hate him thats most disturbing. Youre only lying to yourself but it somehow makes you feel better.
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There are haters on both sides, and you don't sound like you particularly love Democrats or Democratic officeholders. Donald Trump's rhetoric is often suffused with anger, bitterness, resentment, and hatred. He makes up demeaning names to call his political opponents. So I'm puzzled as to why you feel that it is important to call people on the left "haters". Projection?
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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My prediction is that the SCOTUS will slap it down as violating the US Constitution's First Amendment Establishment Clause. That's if the Oklahoma state supreme court doesn't do their job and slap it down first, as they should, before it gets to the SCOTUS. If a granite monolith of the Ten Commandments was ordered to be removed from the Alabama State Capitol, and Alabama supreme court chief justice Roy Moore removed from office for refusing to remove the monolith, this ain't a-gonna stand either. Þórr vigi Amérika! :D
 
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Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
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Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.


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Anyone here want to bet some money on which way the current USSC will vote on this? :)
 
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Ignatius A

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Copernicus said:
There are haters on both sides, and you don't sound like you particularly love Democrats or Democratic officeholders. Donald Trump's rhetoric is often suffused with anger, bitterness, resentment, and hatred. He makes up demeaning names to call his political opponents. So I'm puzzled as to why you feel that it is important to call people on the left "haters". Projection?
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Simpletons call disagreement hatred. In have no problem with Democrats it's leftists I have a trouble with. The Democrat party has been polluted by leftists. They politically killed all the liberals. Thats why joe machin bailed on them as should all liberals of good conscience. We see how many of those there are though don't we? Only one apparently.

No one hates more than a leftist. I'm especially amused when leftists tell me they don't hate trump. It's the pretending that's most distasteful.
 
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F1fan

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Ignatius A said:
Simpletons call disagreement hatred.
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You are very hostile to the constitution and liberalism. Tolerance for different views is not your thing.
Ignatius A said:
In have no problem with Democrats it's leftists I have a trouble with. The Democrat party has been polluted by leftists.
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Look at your hate. What exactly is a leftist, and why do you hate them so much?
Ignatius A said:
They politically killed all the liberals. Thats why joe machin bailed on them as should all liberals of good conscience. We see how many of those there are though don't we? Only one apparently.
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To my mind liberals are what you seem to be calling leftists.
Ignatius A said:
No one hates more than a leftist.
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Are you a leftist, then? You seem to be the most hostile person in this debate.
Ignatius A said:
I'm especially amused when leftists tell me they don't hate trump. It's the pretending that's most distasteful.
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Trump is a disturbed man who is unfit for office. Maybe you are confusing criticism with hate.
 
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Ignatius A

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Viker said:
I get it now. You're trying to be funny. It almost worked on me. You should try to refine the humor.
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Not being funny at all. It's time to stop being nice to leftists. Being nice to leftists has resulted in increasing levels of stupidity and perversion.
 
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