Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

[Ignatius A]

Why would that matter? It has nothing to do with the subject itself.

Oh I see, it shouldnt matter if students are actually learning anything . Fascinating approach to education but it seems to be the prevailing approach.

 

[Viker]

Oh I see, it shouldnt matter if students are actually learning anything . Fascinating approach to education but it seems to be the prevailing approach.

That says nothing about the subject and only about the system not prioritizing it and getting students motivated for it.

At this rate, they could teach the Bible in our schools and most would fail or get a below average grading anyway.

 

[Ignatius A]

That says nothing about the subject and only about the system not prioritizing it and getting students motivated for it.

At this rate, they could teach the Bible in our schools and most would fail or get a below average grading anyway.

Right they prioritize leftist clap trap BS over actual knowledge.

 

[Revoltingest]

At this rate, they could teach the Bible in our schools and most would fail or get a below average grading anyway.

Students need to learn skills to enter society, & become
productive citizens. Instead, theocrats want them to
learn cruelty, ignorance, & fecklessness.

7 Terrible Things The Bible Clearly Says

I'm pretty lucky to have conversations with Christians from a variety of backgrounds and cultures. Usually, those conversations go great—but occasionally

www.patheos.com

101 of the craziest, strangest, most ridiculous Bible absurdities

In my last article I took a critical look at the teachings of Jesus, in this article I’ll extend that to the Bible itself. As a reference guide I’ve used The Skeptics Annotated Bible which I highly recommend you check out. The Bible is a book of claims, not a book of facts. It is […]

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[Ignatius A]

Students need to learn skills to enter society, & become
productive citizens. Instead, theocrats want them to
learn cruelty & fecklessness.

7 Terrible Things The Bible Clearly Says

I'm pretty lucky to have conversations with Christians from a variety of backgrounds and cultures. Usually, those conversations go great—but occasionally

www.patheos.com

Like how to lop off their genitals. Idiotic

 

[Viker]

Right they prioritize leftist clap trap BS over actual knowledge.

Yeah! Math, science, technology, history! All that pinko leftist garbage! Throw it all out and teach them about raiding neighboring villages and massacring every living person and thing but do it all in the name of GAWUHD!!!

 

[Heyo]

Like how to lop off their genitals. Idiotic

I agree that it's idiotic, but you should be precise. It's not the genitals, it's only the tip that the Bible teaches to lop off.

 

[F1fan]

I have no problem with that as long as you reach a balanced approach. I bet you sure as hell you don't want that. There is nothing leftists hate more than a balanced argument, except maybe Trump

You can’t even allow others to speak for themselves as you talk about balance. This is why we can’t take you seriously.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Grade-level specific guidelines apply to students in fifth through 12th grades. They require students to analyze literary elements of biblical stories and to identify how those have impacted Western culture. For high school students, it entails assigned essays on the Bible’s role in literature, history and culture. Pieces of art and music inspired by the Bible are also required to be taught.

Do you believe that? We know what these people's agenda is. It's to indoctrinate the kids. All that these theocratic Christians do is lie, lie, and then lie some more.

First, they lied about their intentions to get onto the Supreme Court. Then they lied when they said that the wanted the sates to choose. They were deceitful about the rest of their Handmaid's Tale agenda which included going after contraceptives and IVF.

These are liars.

And hypocrites. They want to hang "Thy shalt not lie" in classrooms.

Loathsome people. They offend my humanist values and sensibilities.

And look at who they vote for. Other loathsome people.

Teaching the Bible has much room for malicious compliance.

That should be fun to see. Read this to them: "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled."

Tbh, that sounds like a good idea... in a country where literalism and propaganda are widespread, a little education at school might be good.
- historical context: such as the physical impossibility of a Young Earth, the lack of archaeological sources for any biblical stories in the Bronze Age, the late onset of actual Jewish monotheism and Torah and the fact that the gospels were finalized decades after Jesus' death.

Same answer. Do you believe that that is their purpose? That's actual education. They want to create more Christians. They've been trying to get to children in public schools since they lost school prayer and had creationism called religion and not science or appropriate for a liberal education as the above topics might be, although I would leave that to college as an elective.

Fire every one who revolted. The time has come to stop being nice to leftists. Decent people have been too nice to leftists for too long.

Look. Another authoritarian Christian speaks.

The hatred leftists have for Trump has made them blind and stupid.

Yet it's hatred and stupidity that you bring to this thread, and why I am an antitheist much to the chagrin of some of the other theists who just don't know anybody would be so hostile to organized, politicized Christianity, and express their disdain for my antitheism. I have no objection to those people. My objection is to theocratic MAGA Christians. They do so much harm to America.

You know what I love? That leftists don't have the courage to admit how much they hate trump.

Really? I don't know what the most accurate word for my contempt for Trump is, but I won't quibble with hatred. They mystery is why you don't hate him as well. How bad does he have to be for a Christian like you to reject him? What would he have to do for you to say that that man doesn't come close to rising to your standards? Apparently liar, grifter, adulterer, sexual predator, malignant narcissist, sociopath, and conviceted felon isn't enough.

 

[anna.]

Do you believe that? We know what these people's agenda is. It's to indoctrinate the kids. All that these theocratic Christians do is lie, lie, and then lie some more.

Not in the slightest. I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and state.

 

[Heyo]

What would he have to do for you to say that that man doesn't come close to rising to your standards? Apparently liar, grifter, adulterer, sexual predator, malignant narcissist, sociopath, and conviceted felon isn't enough.

Those are all characteristics that the most revered figures in the Bible had, the first and last even fit Jesus.

 

[Pogo]

No where does the Constitution say you can't teach the bible. It says the govt can't establish a religion. The bible is book like lots of other books like Rachel has two mommies.

As literature it is taught along with Homer's Odyssey and any number of other books, but we don't have religious education in this country,
You should be happy most English speaking countries have RE and it is very effective at making non-religious people.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There is plenty of evidence of hatred but I can't make blind people see. Things aren't true only when you believe them. The thing is it's not the hatred you have for trump that bothers me it's the pretending you don't hate him thats most disturbing. Youre only lying to yourself but it somehow makes you feel better.

I have plenty of evidence but I'm not going to give it to you! Na na boo boo

 

[LeftyLen]

Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4806459-oklahoma-schools-bible-mandate-ten-commandments-church-and-state/

I see no issue with the Bible as literature in the classroom. Religious dogma, however has no business in schools.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Like how to lop off their genitals. Idiotic

Yes, your views about what goes on in schools appears to be quite idiotic.

 

[LeftyLen]

Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4806459-oklahoma-schools-bible-mandate-ten-commandments-church-and-state/

I see no issue with the Bible as literature in the classroom. Religious

The hatred leftists have for Trump has made them blind and stupid.

The Bible as literature should be in schools,
dogma, however has no business in schools.

 

[Ignatius A]

I see no issue with the Bible as literature in the classroom. Religious

The Bible as literature should be in schools,
dogma, however has no business in schools.

Of course dogma has a place in schools. No where does the constitution prohibit it.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Not in the slightest. I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and state.

Maybe you misunderstood me. I was asking if you believed the claim that they only wanted to teach, "the Bible’s role in literature, history and culture." I don't. I know why they want their Bible in public schools. These people are confirmed liars. They just want the Supreme Court to OK what they say they want, but you can be certain that more bait-and-switch would follow.

I gave the argument for that. All we need do is look at the SCOTUS justices lying to be confirmed as well as what has happened since. Those justices always intended to impose their religion on you and me (I'm out of their jurisdiction now, so not me). And when others said that their intention was to let the states decide the matter, they were lying again. So why would we believe them now?

Those are all characteristics that the most revered figures in the Bible had, the first and last even fit Jesus.

Liar, grifter, adulterer, sexual predator, malignant narcissist, sociopath, and convicted felon? I have to disagree there.

Yes, Jesus was a convicted felon, which is a huge blemish in his biography in my opinion. The idea that he was unfairly and unjustly convicted is as untenable as when Trump makes the same claim for himself. If Trump's defenders end up writing the history books, he too will be exalted despite being an enemy of the state. Jesus was convicted by two unrelated legal system of two distinct capital crimes. Both would have executed him, and the one that could did.

The Bible as literature should be in schools.

Why should the Bible as literature be taught to grade schoolers? There is much better literature than that. It's practically unreadable.

Besides, that's not the intent. You know that as well as I do.

They also say that it should be taught as history, but most of it is myth, magic, poetry, and prophecy. Where's the history part? We don't know for a fact that Jesus isn't also a myth.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see no issue with the Bible as literature in the classroom.

It's inappropriate literature for grade school students.
Too much violence, death, perversion, & advocacy
for evil. And it's not even good literature.
It's just one religion's threats, demands, & intolerance.

 

[Ignatius A]

Maybe you misunderstood me. I was asking if you believed the claim that they only wanted to teach, "the Bible’s role in literature, history and culture." I don't. I know why they want their Bible in public schools. These people are confirmed liars. They just want the Supreme Court to OK what they say they want, but you can be certain that more bait-and-switch would follow.

I gave the argument for that. All we need do is look at the SCOTUS justices lying to be confirmed as well as what has happened since. Those justices always intended to impose their religion on you and me (I'm out of their jurisdiction now, so not me). And when others said that their intention was to let the states decide the matter, they were lying again. So why would we believe them now?

Liar, grifter, adulterer, sexual predator, malignant narcissist, sociopath, and convicted felon? I have to disagree there.

Yes, Jesus was a convicted felon, which is a huge blemish in his biography in my opinion. The idea that he was unfairly and unjustly convicted is as untenable as when Trump makes the same claim for himself. If Trump's defenders end up writing the history books, he too will be exalted despite being an enemy of the state. Jesus was convicted by two unrelated legal system of two distinct capital crimes. Both would have executed him, and the one that could did.

Why should the Bible as literature be taught to grade schoolers? There is much better literature than that. It's practically unreadable.

Besides, that's not the intent. You know that as well as I do.

They also say that it should be taught as history, but most of it is myth, magic, poetry, and prophecy. Where's the history part? We don't know for a fact that Jesus isn't also a myth.

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