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old testament was detorted
- Thread starter hanif
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Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
I don't know about that. I've had plenty of intense arm-wrestling competitions.hanif said:
Do you have a verse from the Torah? And how do you know God can't wrestle with man? Maybe he gets bored watching us sin each other to the grave.
Why does the Quran, which you say is complete, need supporting documentation (e.g. the tafsir and hadiths)? I've been told multiple times on these forums that these are needed to understand the Quran 'correctly.' Seems to me that a book that is 'complete' should be complete in itself and not need other books to explain what it says.
Radio Frequency X
World Leader Pretend
hanif said:
The koran is just as bad as the torah and new Bible. All of these scriptures are antiquated. You can't have an active relationship with these old dead gods (maybe they aren't dead, but I haven't experienced them). I think there is one personal god that has used all these old religions and their gods in order to be realized by mankind. Maybe the jews, christians, and muslims have all been tools used by the personal god to make its way into the lives of man? Maybe god doesn't care about religion, but uses them for its own purposes. Who knows, maybe the Mormons are the next religious evolution: Jews -> Christians -> Muslims/Catholics/Protestants -> Mormons... what religion will this god use next? Who knows?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I've always seen passages like this as symbolic. The Bible--along with other religious texts--is highly poetic. In fact, to truly believe it to be the Word of God, I think it would have to be poetic.
Perhaps "walking in the garden" was a personification of the diversity of life in the garden, or the sensation of having a divine experience in the garden.
I think any religious text needs to be interpreted personally with just a little guidance for good social measure!
Perhaps "walking in the garden" was a personification of the diversity of life in the garden, or the sensation of having a divine experience in the garden.
I think any religious text needs to be interpreted personally with just a little guidance for good social measure!
Mr. Hair
Renegade Cavalcade
So; because aspects of the Torah appear to contradict your concept of God, this automatically proves that it is the Torah that is distorted?hanif said:
*smiles*
We have to remember that the authors of Genesis would have had a very different image of God then, say, the classical theistic model which is generally accepted today. As such, problems tend to arise if one ignores the cultural, social, historical and religious contexts in which the text was written, and tries to hammer everything into a single uniform interpretation of God.Moon Woman said:
For example, the God of Moses as recorded in the scriptures seems to bear little resemblance to, say, the God of Isaiah or Amos.
That is not what the Torah says: your understanding is distorted. I'm not surprised.hanif said:
gnostic
The Lost One
The Qur'an version of the Creation is just as silly as that found in the Torah or Bible. Thing about angels, demons and djinn are as supernatural and unnatural as they come in the Qur'an as it is elsewhere.
There is no denying that the Bible were written by men as testimony as their relationship with their religion and their God, but that of the Qur'an was written entirely by God/Allah, seemed questionable and not something that I would believe unless there are proof.
Sorry, hanif. Just because Muslims or your prophet say the Tanakh or Old Testament to be distorted, doesn't necessarily be so, because you are trying to promote your own religion at the expense of the other religions, hence it's Muslim propaganda.
The Christians does something of the same thing, in the past and in the present, so there are some similarity between Islam and Christianity.
There is no denying that the Bible were written by men as testimony as their relationship with their religion and their God, but that of the Qur'an was written entirely by God/Allah, seemed questionable and not something that I would believe unless there are proof.
Sorry, hanif. Just because Muslims or your prophet say the Tanakh or Old Testament to be distorted, doesn't necessarily be so, because you are trying to promote your own religion at the expense of the other religions, hence it's Muslim propaganda.
The Christians does something of the same thing, in the past and in the present, so there are some similarity between Islam and Christianity.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
hanif said:
However, it makes a good metaphor "submitting to God's Will" doesn't it. Literal truth? Obviously not. Metaphoric truth, obviously yes.:yes:
Regards,
Scott