Omnipresent?

[idea]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

Just curious what people think.

 

[Orbit]

It's a rather haunting question...

 

[The Hammer]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

Just curious what people think.

Well most people on Earth have never truly felt "Gods" presence(s).

So is Hell really Earth?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

One explanation I've heard for that passage was that Jesus was making reference to Psalm 22 in an era when the psalms were known by their first line rather than their number.

 

[idea]

Well most people on Earth have never truly felt "Gods" presence(s).

So is Hell really Earth?

Perhaps?

 

[idea]

One explanation I've heard for that passage was that Jesus was making reference to Psalm 22 in an era when the psalms were known by their first line rather than their number.

Some strange time-loop, prophet quoting Jesus quoting prophet quoting Jesus - where did it start?

That still leaves God and hell - either God is not omnipresent, or hell us not a separation from God it seems?

 

[Orbit]

He said what he said. Who are we to disbelieve him?

 

[Lazy Old Devil]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?

I'm not a Christian, so perhaps it's not for me to say - but my interpretation of this idea is that God's 'wrath' is what's 'present' in Hell. So, Hell would be a separation from God in the sense of being separated from God's 'love'.

 

[George-ananda]

Just curious what people think.

I think God is omnipresent and hell-like mental states are only temporary stages.

 

[idea]

S

I'm not a Christian, so perhaps it's not for me to say - but my interpretation of this idea is that God's 'wrath' is what's 'present' in Hell. So, Hell would be a separation from God in the sense of being separated from God's 'love'.

So, God is like two-face, not all-present, but half-present.

 

[idea]

I think God is omnipresent and hell-like mental states are only temporary stages.

That's what my grandmother believes - told me she's going to purgatory, cuz she did some stuff, but will only be there for a little bit.

 

[sun rise]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

The Divine is omnipresent. Our ability to perceive that presence varies.

 

[George-ananda]

That's what my grandmother believes - told me she's going to purgatory, cuz she did some stuff, but will only be there for a little bit.

I don't know about purgatory either if she understands her actions and is repentant now. Everybody's done good and bad stuff.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

Jesus had the same beliefs as the people of his time - in existence of a God. Jesus was not Buddha to show a new way. In his mind, Jesus thought that he was special and on a mission from God. That is why he appealed to God.

Some strange time-loop, prophet quoting Jesus quoting prophet quoting Jesus - where did it start?

It started with people like Akhenaten and Zoroaster.

He said what he said. Who are we to disbelieve him?

People of later times who want evidence, proof.

 

[Brian2]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

Just curious what people think.

When Jesus died on the cross it was to take on Himself the wages of the sins of the whole world. He experienced not only physical death but also God's presence was somehow withdrawn from Him so that He fest truly abandoned by His Father. Hence He spoke about being forsaken by God.
The quote indeed is from Psalm 22 and in Psalm 22 there are other references to what happened to Jesus as His death on the cross. This Psalm was written before crucifixion was invented.

 

[The Crimson Universe]

I think God is omnipresent but at the same time aloof and doesn't intervene. This is the reason why many feel abandoned by God. (Myself included).

And i think even in Hell, God's spirit is present but as i said before, he doesn't intervene, forgive and rescue his children from this Hell.

 

[idea]

The Divine is omnipresent. Our ability to perceive that presence varies.

There are quite a few scriptures where various people are "cast out" from God's presence - it is described as God casting them out - God is the one shutting them out, not visa versa.

 

[idea]

I think God is omnipresent but at the same time aloof and doesn't intervene. This is the reason why many feel abandoned by God. (Myself included).

And i think even in Hell, God's spirit is present but as i said before, he doesn't intervene, forgive and rescue his children from this Hell.

If someone is in the room with you, but they are distracted, looking at their phone, not really paying attention, not helping or listening or reacting / interacting in any way with you - would you describe them as being "present"?

 

[idea]

When Jesus died on the cross it was to take on Himself the wages of the sins of the whole world. He experienced not only physical death but also God's presence was somehow withdrawn from Him so that He fest truly abandoned by His Father. Hence He spoke about being forsaken by God.
The quote indeed is from Psalm 22 and in Psalm 22 there are other references to what happened to Jesus as His death on the cross. This Psalm was written before crucifixion was invented.

Yes, spiritual death is described by many as being separated or cast out from God's presence - which I thought meant God is NOT present everywhere and with everyone. For Jesus to experience all that everyone experienced would be to experience being alone I think.

Do you believe that God is not all-present?

 

[1213]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?...

I don't know nor believe God is in hell, but I don't think Bible answers to that directly. Bible tells soul and body are destroyed in hell. That is why, even if God would be there, the people would be separated from God, because they would not exist anymore in sentient form.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?
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I believe God didn’t reject Jesus. But I believe Jesus may have felt that God had rejected him.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Some say hell is a separation from God, but that would mean God wasn't all-present.

Is God present in hell?

"My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me" - did God forsake Jesus, abandon him? Was not present?

Just curious what people think.

It's biblical that Yahweh will be in Sheol. There is no place that he is not.

Ps. 139:8 "If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!"