Brian2
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I believe God is everywhere but that does not mean we are aware of it.
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Omnipresent?
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I believe God is everywhere but that does not mean we are aware of it.
lukethethird
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I believe God is nowhere, but that too does not mean we are aware of it.
lukethethird
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Religion is full of riddles, you could spend a lifetime and then some on them.
Salam
The Quran describes that God encompasses disbelievers but from behind. That is they are running away from him and looking away from God towards some dark idol.
In day of judgment, while disbelievers will know God is truth, they will still be veiled to his beauty. They will forever be distancing themselves from God but will have returned to him from logic stand point. They will see God exists through signs, but veiled to his glory and beauty.
The Quran describes that God encompasses disbelievers but from behind. That is they are running away from him and looking away from God towards some dark idol.
In day of judgment, while disbelievers will know God is truth, they will still be veiled to his beauty. They will forever be distancing themselves from God but will have returned to him from logic stand point. They will see God exists through signs, but veiled to his glory and beauty.
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So hell is not separation from God, interesting.
Sand Dancer
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Not in the OT anyway. The NT had a different view, mostly likely taken from Greek and Zoroastrian thought.
IFF God is omnipotent THEN God is in hell IFF [he] wants to be.
Those sentiments are uttered only by the Jesus of Mark and the Jesus of Matthew. (They certainly don't fit the cool, in-charge Jesus of John on the cross.)
I'd say it was intended as a matter of dramatic structure to be the dark hour before the dawn.
Of course, if you ─ unlike any of the NT authors ─ think God is a Trinity then each of those Jesuses was talking to himself.
Bird123
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What if Hell is not God's abandonment of a person but the person's free decision to permanently turn away from God?
Brian2
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"Sheol" in Hebrew and Hades in Greek is the place for the souls of the dead. I don't see it as "hell" a place of torment for those who are not saved.
The word hades started to be translated as hell and hell somehow became a place of eternal torment. So it ended up that people started being confused about the meaning of hades and sheol.
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That's a nice thought, but there's too many scriptures of God casting people out of His presence - not abandoned, cast out.
How can God cast anyone out of His presence if He is all-present?
What is the reference for that scripture verse?
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Omnipresence implies pantheism or a pantheistic approach. I would suggest that those who believe in Hell don't ascribe to that.
Brian2
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Omnipresence does not necessarily mean pantheism.
ppp
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Ooo. Nice.
Is there a specific verse where God casts people out?
Wildswanderer
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I think he is everywhere, but he can remove his tangible presence. People in Hades can't pray and get answers, IMO because God is not available to them.
Jesus didn't abandon himself. He didn't stop being in the trinity but I think he felt alone because of his humanity at that moment.
Brian2
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That would be a misunderstanding of the trinity or maybe just a misrepresentation that makes it sound like unitarianism.
Brian2
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I see it as Jesus feeling complete abandonment by His Father and that is part of taking on the consequences of our sins.