On December 18th at 8:35 pm Donald J. Trump was impeached.

[Cooky]

Then I'm sorry for you. In my opinion, I -- the atheist -- have a stronger sense of moral and "right" behaviour than you -- the Catholic -- has. You might re-read John 21:15-18. Actually some scripture that I like.

Don't be sorry for me!

Just please explain what was immoral that Trump did then. Also, *why* would it be immoral.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course I can.

Then perhaps you should try. Do you seriously think that Trump should not have been impeached?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't be sorry for me!

Just please explain what was immoral that Trump did then. Also, *why* would it be immoral.

He tried to use U.S. taxpayer money to coerce the leader of another nation to announce an illegal investigation into Joe Biden.

 

[McBell]

...Justice? What's justice got to do with this?

This is a witch hunt, where Democrats exploit the letters of law to their advantage... There is nothing immoral about Trump investigating a Biden.

We don't worship the letters of law. We use them when we have an *actual* problem, that needs solving... We dont watch people constantly, and then search for laws to bite them with. The latter is actually what's immoral.

Your hypocrisy is showing.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Don't be sorry for me!

Just please explain what was immoral that Trump did then. Also, *why* would it be immoral.

First, Ukraine is a country in a virtual state of war with Russia. It has already had some of its territory (Crimea) annexed by that foreign power.

Second, Zelensky is a new President, elected from a background that does not guarantee him respect, either around the world or even in his own nation.

Third, Ukraine is an ally of the United States, and the United States Congress voted money to help Ukraine in its fight for its own sovereignty from Russia. This was withheld by the whim of the President.

Fourth, even a meeting with Trump in the White House, which would have been very helpful to the Ukraine president seeking international validation, was withheld ...

And all of this until he agreed to do something which benefited only Donald John Trump, with no benefit of any kind whatsoever to the United States. And in doing this, the said Donald John Trump used the full power of the office of the President of the United States. This is as clear as the sun on a cloudless day in summer!

 

[Subduction Zone]

...Justice? What's justice got to do with this?

This is a witch hunt, where Democrats exploit the letters of law to their advantage... There is nothing immoral about Trump investigating a Biden.

We don't worship the letters of law. We use them when we have an *actual* problem, that needs solving... We dont watch people constantly, and then search for laws to bite them with. The latter is actually what's immoral.

It is not only immoral since he used U.S. taxpayer funds for his own personal gain. It was illegal since he wanted a public announcement of the investigation. When Trump was investigated by the FBI before the 2016 election that was kept private because releasing just the fact that he was being investigated could have influenced the election. Trump knew that a public investigation would not be allowed here, so he tried to break the law by coercing a foreign power to do it for him.

Odds are that he thinks Biden is innocent. He only wanted to harm him politically.

 

[Cooky]

First, Ukraine is a country in a virtual state of war with Russia. It has already had some of its territory (Crimea) annexed by that foreign power.

So?

Second, Zelensky is a new President, elected from a background that does not guarantee him respect, either around the world or even in his own nation.

So?

Third, Ukraine is an ally of the United States, and the United States Congress voted money to help Ukraine in its fight for its own sovereignty from Russia. This was withheld by the whim of the President.

There's no immediate threat from Russia... What's the rush? Is it immoral to not give them the funds fast enough? Seriously?!? Is that immoral..?

Fourth, even a meeting with Trump in the White House, which would have been very helpful to the Ukraine president seeking international validation, was withheld ...

And all of this until he agreed to do something which benefited only Donald John Trump, with no benefit of any kind whatsoever to the United States. And in doing this, the said Donald John Trump used the full power of the office of the President of the United States. This is as clear as the sun on a cloudless day in summer!

And you saying it benefits only Donald J. Trump is only your opinion. Millions of Americans see Trump defending his position and checking on the Bidens as an obligation to the country. We want to know, and you should too... Don't protect the Bidens.

 

[Cooky]

It is not only immoral since he used U.S. taxpayer funds for his own personal gain. It was illegal since he wanted a public announcement of the investigation. When Trump was investigated by the FBI before the 2016 election that was kept private because releasing just the fact that he was being investigated could have influenced the election. Trump knew that a public investigation would not be allowed here, so he tried to break the law by coercing a foreign power to do it for him.

Odds are that he thinks Biden is innocent. He only wanted to harm him politically.

Your imaginary assumptions are immoral. Your painting a picture of Trump in a light that suits your agenda is immoral.

 

[Cooky]

He tried to use U.S. taxpayer money to coerce the leader of another nation to announce an illegal investigation into Joe Biden.

Okay..? And what part of that is immoral in your opinion? Because it was against the law for NAZI soldiers to not capture Jews and put them in concentration camps too.

...You see my point? Breaking the law is not "immoral".

 

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Your imaginary assumptions are immoral. Your painting a picture of Trump in a light that suits your agenda is immoral.

What imaginary assumptions? You made a claim you need to support it. If I said something that you did not understand you should have asked politely and properly instead of making false accusations.

 

[Salvador]

But Trump wasn't investigating a Biden at all. Trump was asking another, sovereign government to dig up dirt that he could use for his own benefit at home.

Let me ask you a question: can you think of one, single other example of Trump "going after corruption?" Do you not wonder why the only time he's ever done this is when it involved someone in a presidential race who could potentially beat him?

There had to be no digging up dirt done, Joe Biden himself confessed to meddling in the Ukrainian justice system. Trump, like anybody else in his right mind, was just curious to know if there'd been a kickback of some U.S. foreign aid from Ukraine to the son of Joe Biden who was paid millions of dollars by the Ukrainian company whose boss is widely suspected of embezzling millions of dollars from the Ukrainian government, which is funded in small part by U.S. foreign aid.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay..? And what part of that is immoral in your opinion? Because it was against the law for NAZI soldiers to not capture Jews and put them in concentration camps too.

...You see my point? Breaking the law is not "immoral".

Your example is amazingly poor. In fact it is bass ackwards at best. It is in our Constitution that it is illegal for other nations to interfere in our elections and that was what Trump asked for. When you have such a hard time understanding relatively simple and moral concepts the least that you do is to bring your own morals into question.

Breaking immoral laws is not immoral. This was not an immoral law.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There had to be no digging up dirt done, Joe Biden himself confessed to meddling in the Ukrainian justice system. Trump, like anybody else in his right mind, was just curious to know if there'd been a kickback of some U.S. foreign aid from Ukraine to the son of Joe Biden who was paid millions of dollars by the Ukrainian company whose boss is widely suspected of embezzling millions of dollars from the Ukrainian government, which is funded in small part by U.S. foreign aid.

By your post it appears that you would have a hard time in understanding the difference between killing in self defense and killing someone for personal gain.

 

[fantome profane]

There's no immediate threat from Russia... What's the rush? Is it immoral to not give them the funds fast enough? Seriously?!? Is that immoral..?

Tell that to the 13000 Ukrainians killed by Russian soldiers.

But tell me, what do you think would have happened is this had never been exposed? Would Trump have ever released the money? Or would he have waited till it expired?

 

[Cooky]

What imaginary assumptions? You made a claim you need to support it. If I said something that you did not understand you should have asked politely and properly instead of making false accusations.

LOL. You don't know what imaginary assumptions I'm talking about..? Sorry, but if you can't even grasp that, then what's the point in continuing with you?

 

[Cooky]

Your example is amazingly poor. In fact it is bass ackwards at best. It is in our Constitution that it is illegal for other nations to interfere in our elections and that was what Trump asked for. When you have such a hard time understanding relatively simple and moral concepts the least that you do is to bring your own morals into question.

Breaking immoral laws is not immoral. This was not an immoral law.

Which is the basis of my whole argument. Now You've just admitted that there was nothing immoral.

...I rest my case. Thank you for admitting that I was right.

 

[Cooky]

Tell that to the 13000 Ukrainians killed by Russian soldiers.

But tell me, what do you think would have happened is this had never been exposed? Would Trump have ever released the money? Or would he have waited till it expired?

Is there an immediate Russian threat that requires urgency? What's the rush?!?

 

[fantome profane]

Is there an immediate Russian threat that requires urgency? What's the rush?!?

The Ukraine is at war with Russia! That is an immediate threat!

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL. You don't know what imaginary assumptions I'm talking about..? Sorry, but if you can't even grasp that, then what's the point in continuing with you?

You have it backwards. You obviously made a false claim since you could not support it. Remember when I pointed out that you are arguing as a creationist would? You do not even seem to understand the concept of evidence.

So what imaginary assumptions? All of my claims can be supported by evidence so what part did you not understand?

 

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Which is the basis of my whole argument. Now You've just admitted that there was nothing immoral.

...I rest my case. Thank you for admitting that I was right.

Logic is a tool missing from your toolbox. Or else you lack morals. Again, instead of making vague claims be specific. I was. I explained how what Trump did was immoral One more time, it is immoral to use taxpayer money to coerce an illegal investigation. That is what Trump did.