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On Evolution & Creation

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
If all you want is a correlation, then knowledge of origins are not needed. But all rational models, which are more advanced, do benefit and even need origins. The current model for evolution, assumes there is no sense of direction to evolution, therefore it is hard to predict.
Evolutionary changes are the result of environmental pressures so of course there is no direction or goal as the traits that provide a reproductive benefit will vary over time and location and situation.
While the current universe model assumes there is no center of the universe, even though the BB model, conceptually, implies a point of origin; an original center.
You are misinformed about the big bang theory. The big bang created space not just matter and it created it everywhere
Where is the center of the universe?
These empirical models both assume a confusing gap of dice and cards. Logic and evolution have a sense of direction; 2nd law has to increase. The 2nd law over time is not random but net increases.
We have a sense of direction evolution does not.

And if you are referring to the second law of thermodynamics you might want to look up the wording of that law as entropy increases in a CLOSED system. and we don't live in a closed system
Entropy is also a state variable meaning any state of matter has a constant amount of entropy. Species represent entropic states, with the gap between species, imply these states are quantified; jumps and not continuous. Distinct species cannot breed with other distinct species. Evolution has to follow a narrower species path.
We don't live in a CLOSED system
Putting aside the data and theory content of both Evolution and Creation, the fundamental science approach of Creation; done by a creator, assumes logic. It assumes an omniscience God had a plan; brooding, and then a blue print; rational model (divine plan). It is more like applied science or the God, the architect, getting the plan ready, leaving little to chance. It is evolution that assumes dice and cards or the older approach of the whims of the gods, instead of a logical plan. The universe and life happened on a random whim, which is a primitive science approach, stuck at empirical.
That is a bunch of nonsense.

Creationism isn't based on assumptions but rather on a set of conditions predetermined on the beliefs of its adherents. "Evidence" is evaluated not on observation or experimentation but rather it is evaluated on how well it fits the beliefs of creationists.
I would be more impressed if evolution was more rational, with future things more easily inferred and deduced even before finding fossils. That would be more advanced, but it will also require more knowledge of origin; abiogenesis.
A creatio9nist wants evolution to be more rational. :D
Abiogenesis, to me, is similar to the original state of evolution, that I call chemical evolution. Chemical evolution, by natural selection, would eventually lead to self replicators, which become the origin of the evolutionary theory. If a form of early chemical evolution was the case, did that chemical evolution stage stop, when the replicators appeared? Or does this nanoscale version of evolution; chemical, still run parallel to the macro changes, inferred from fossils and Evolution, proper? My guess is it still runs parallel; origins. Natural selection at the nanoscale follows natural selection at the macro-scale and vice versa. Dice and card is more of a way to average these unknown but logical chemical processes, behind continued chemical evolution, But an average does not give all the needed details for a rational model.

The most logical chemical behind natural chemical selection at the nanoscale of life, is water. Water forms hydrogen bonds, with each water molecule able to form up to four hydrogen bonds, with other water. This is very stabilizing to water and give it water high boiling point for such a small molecule.

The fluidity of life processes is based on secondary bonding forces, that can break and reform, with the hydrogen bonding the strongest secondary bonding force used by life. DNA, RNA and protein all inherited this from water. Water is given off when they polymerize. With water the dormant hydrogen bonding material, both in shear number of molecules; 100 times as many water molecules as all the rest, combined, and water has to largest total number of aqueous hydrogen bonds, it is the most logical source for natural selection at the nanoscale; big dog of secondary bonding, running the show.

Water is optimized to itself, since it can form up to four hydrogen bonds with other water molecules. While all organics in water, will raise the surface tension in the water to some extent; breaks one of more hydrogen bonds between water. This is why even soluble organics in water, like alcohol; ethyl alcohol, will alter the natural surface tension of the body's water; increase, and this can cause equilibrium changes, not always for the best; brain, skin, liver, kidneys, blood vessels, etc. Stopping can reverse this; lowers global surface tension.

When any organic is placed in water, the water will feel the deficit, and try to minimize the surface tension, which then forces these organics to accommodate. Proteins are packed and folded, by water, to minimize their surface tension in water. Water is like a bunch of army ants that can, as a team, man handle larger objects like protein. The final shape is bioactive. The protein will not just assume that state, if water was not present or if you add another solvent. If water folded a new style protein, and there is residual surface tension, there is a lingering surface potential for change, until that ship is rightened.

The lowering of surface tension of organics in water also places protein, for example, into lower entropy states. There is more complexity or freedom, all stretched out wiggling. The lowering of surface tension comes first; enthalpy and entropy loss. The containment, to lower surface tension, creates an entropic potential; a target for the 2nd law. This helps the nanoscale odd makers by loading the dice in a specific game. Reactions on enzymes is a way to satisfy the 2nd law.

Water, 3-D hydrogen bonding liquid continuum, organic surface tension, lowering organic entropy, entropic potential; selective change. Water is near and far for both global and selective local changes. While evolution of cells; organic structure, alter the global water set point.
Sorry I dozed off there......
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I realize this to you will probably not answer the question, but from what I understand, it is humans (not monkeys) that conduct scientific experiments and in some cases test animals in cages.
Humans have a brain size around 4X the size of a chimp's brain, and that extra size is with our cerebrum, which is the thinking part of the brain. Chimps can and do think creatively, but nowhere near the same level as us.

BTW, can you run as fast as a cheetah? swing as fast through the trees as a gibbon? swim as fast as a dolphin?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Humans have a brain size around 4X the size of a chimp's brain, and that extra size is with our cerebrum, which is the thinking part of the brain. Chimps can and do think creatively, but nowhere near the same level as us.

BTW, can you run as fast as a cheetah? swing as fast through the trees as a gibbon? swim as fast as a dolphin?
According to you, the "spirit" is universal -- (what spirit, anyway?) "the" spirit? lol, I guess so...
 
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