Whatever happened to civics or social studies classes in school?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
On Evolution & Creation
- Thread starter READY S W
- Start date
The mechanism is ordinary chemistry. Life's an emergent quality of ordinary chemistry. No divine magic indicated.
The production of the components of life has been worked out and replicated. The totality of, and which, chemical steps occurred is currently not known.
Research continues.
firedragon
Veteran Member
No life has been created from inanimate objects.
Self replicating molecules and proto-cells have been assembled.
What could the source of life be if not chemistry? Goddidit! is neither a mechanism nor an explanation, nor is there either need or evidence of it.
firedragon
Veteran Member
That's not creating life from an inanimate object.
What does the decalogue say about double parking?
And doesn't it take slavery and the subjugation of women for granted?
I also notice it fails to distinguish degrees of murder aka manslaughter &c, isn't clear on negligence, dueling, crime passionel, insanity as a defense, &c &c &c and in the background not simply approves but commands invasive wars, human sacrifice, massacre of surrendered populations, mass rape, and other things that have in common my personal disapproval.
Mickey Mouse is an essentially moral being too, a good, decent neighbor, a resourceful and cheerful exemplar.
It's not a very competitive field. I've never read it from cover to cover, and I've only met one person who claims to have done so (when young). Christians in general have a very poor understanding of what their book actually says ─ not that this prevents them from being good and decent people, though like the rest of the world not free from dingbats and villains.
That's 2,000 years out of date. The Jesus of Mark, the Jesus of Matthew and the Jesus of Luke each promised that the Kingdom would be established on earth within the lifetime of some of his hearers, but .... zilch.
How many divorces include Christians?
It hasn't caused huge murderous wars, though. The Crusades, and the wars of colonization by European nations, England, Spain, Portugal and France not least, nearly all of which featured forced conversions of native populations from their own religions.
Neither has reading the bible.
OK, explain.
firedragon
Veteran Member
That's an objection to a claim. It was a question. Nothing to explain.
ppp
Well-Known Member
For the purposes of evolutionary theory it does not matter.
Also, everyone who accepts that biological life was not always in the universe accepts abiogenesis.
Last edited:
Pogo
Well-Known Member
You can't teach that in school, that is for us parents to teach cuz we know all about those other people and it was better in the past when they knew their place. Now they want to teach that we are all just as good as us when they don't do things like we grew up doing.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
But a magic man did it is so much easier to understand.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
No magic men have been observed talking to dust, but one of those two doesn't involve violation of any laws of nature.
Golden Rule covers double parking
Yes, distinguish between degrees of murder and manslaughter -> that is what the Cities of Refuge were for accidental death
Who told you the kingdom would be established within the lifetime of 1st-century hearers ? _____________________
That is absolutely NOT what Jesus taught at Luke 19:11-15; Matthew 25:14-19
Matthew 24:14 could Not be accomplished in the first century
ppp
Well-Known Member
The golden rules does not cover it when your neighbor want to be treated as they wish, not how you wish.
The Golden Rule is
(a) not in the Decalogue, and
(b) the natural result of the evolved human moral tendencies to dislike the one who harms and to favor fairness and reciprocity.
ie NOT in the Decalogue.
It's all in the NT. Since clearly you haven't read it, I'll set it out for you ─
Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
Mark 13:28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.
Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of man comes.
Matthew 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 24:32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
Luke 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
Mark 13:28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place.
Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of man comes.
Matthew 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 24:32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
Luke 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
As for the Son of Man, you as a bible reader already know that in some places Jesus speaks of the Son of Man in a manner clearly referring to himself, and in other places in a manner clearly referring to someone else (thought by some commentators to be a reference to Enoch, who as you'll recall didn't die but went to be with God).
Anyway, no need to thank me ─ glad to be of service!
We don't know the steps by which chemistry became biochemistry, how the first self-reproducing cell formed.
However, it's an active field of research, and from time to time some new, interesting and possibly relevant information is found and added to what we know.
What active enquiries are believers making to describe the process by which God formed the universe? I'm not aware of any, and yet it would be very disappointing to think that a whole lot of intelligent adults are content to be ignorant about something so basic, and to put it down not only to magic, but to someone else's magic that they don't understand.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Enoch died. That God took him does not mean he did not die. Some people die peacefully in their sleep, they were not sick beforehand and they just passed from life to death with no pain or suffering or knowledge that they were dying.
The relevant passage is Genesis 5 ─
21 When Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methuselah
three hundred years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him.
three hundred years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him.
It is of course legend, but it doesn't say Enoch "died", and that appears to be the basis of the alternative view. It was apparently popular among Jewish people in those apocalyptic times when Jesus was alive. It also explains the ambiguity I mentioned, where in the NT Jesus sometimes speaks of the 'Son of Man' clearly meaning himself, and at other times clearly meaning someone else.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, it doesn't say there that Enoch died. That God took him does not mean that Enoch went to heaven or continued living in the spirit realm. Jesus confirmed this at John 3:13 - "Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven+ but the one who descended from heaven,+ the Son of man." So that "God took him" would not mean that Enoch went to heaven and continued living there. But it certainly shows me that God had a part in Enoch's death.
Well, Enoch was one of the legendary characters who, says Genesis, existed before Noah's flood, so it's not as if we're talking history here.