On Evolution & Creation

[Subduction Zone]

James Tour has been a chemist for over 40 years, I am not trying to become a scientist or chemist. Michael Behe has been a biologist for approximately 40 years as of 2023.

Yes, but he also has no understanding of abiogenesis at all. And you just massively moved the goalposts. In doing so you have admitted that evolution is a fact.

James Tour is a synthetic chemist that disagrees with but does not understand abiogenesis. He has never even come close to refuting it and he knows it. If you understood science at all you would have seen that he lost his debate against "Professor Dave".

I've been watching videos from all the Scientists, Chemist and Biologist.

But he is not a valid scientist when it comes to either abiogenesis or evolution. He has no evidence for his opposition.

 

[YoursTrue]

Evolution is change over time. Evolution requires life-forms to evolve.

You did not have and still do not have a first life-form to evolve.


You don't normally talk about man being the first life-form on earth either. But he was, according to my book on creation that has been handed down for years.

All I care about are the facts.

Fact # 1 There was an absence of anything at T=0.
Fact # 2 There was nothing there to expand into the universe we have today.
Fact # 3 It is assumed that a singularity existed there which is only a place where the math don't work.
Fact # 4 You have zero evidence to place your faith in.
Fact # 5 You have zero evidence that abiogenesis ever took place.
Fact # 6 All you have is your faith to believe what you believe and that puts you in the same boat as I am in.

Since we both have to believe in what we believe by our faith we will never agree unless we just agree to disagree.

Enjoy,

What I found interesting is the recognition that terms are used by scientists that can be misleading. Many would assume that scientists know what they're talking about. But terms are used that can stem from assumptions and more, and can be misleading to scientists as well as others -- As scientists, we need to stop using harmful and misleading terminology

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I found interesting is the recognition that terms are used by scientists that can be misleading. Many would assume that scientists know what they're talking about. But terms are used that can stem from assumptions and more, and can be misleading to scientists as well as others -- As scientists, we need to stop using harmful and misleading terminology

There you go showing that you have no understanding of science again while breaking the Ninth Commandment by making accusations against others that you cannot support.

When you accuse others of makin assumptions you have taken on a burden of proof. Scientists try very very hard not to be misleading. The problem arises when people that pretend to be able to argue against it reveal that they cannot when they use terms that they have no understanding of.

EDIT: Did you even read that article? Can you tell he what it was about without going back to it? I sincerely doubt if you read it or understood it.

 

[walt]

Perhaps you should learn the basics of science first. I can help. You need to understand both the scientific method and the concept of scientific evidence. By the way, this information applies to all of the sciences.

James Tour has been a chemist for over 40 years, I am not trying to become a scientist or chemist. Michael Behe has been a biologist for approximately 40 years as of 2023.

I've been watching videos from all the Scientists, Chemist and Biologist.

Single-cells transform into many cells everyday, It doesn't take millions of years.

So why does this take millions of years, for these things to happen?

• Non-life becoming Life?
• A single-cell becoming Multicellular Organism like a Dog?
• Multicellular Organisms becoming a different Multicellular Organism or Species..........I would like to see a video on this from any scientist, chemist or biologist.

Multicellular Organisms Examples

• Humans.
• Dogs.
• Cows.
• Cats.
• Chicken.
• Trees.
• Horse.

From what I have been learning, cells transform into many cells every day, not over a millions of years of time.
Dogs transform into so many forms of dogs everyday, some 400, It does not take millions of years.

There are approximately 400 separate breeds of purebred dogs worldwide.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, I would like to see a video that explains why unobservant things are facts?
Where is the scientist that will explain these important issues?

 

[John53]

What I found interesting is the recognition that terms are used by scientists that can be misleading. Many would assume that scientists know what they're talking about. But terms are used that can stem from assumptions and more, and can be misleading to scientists as well as others -- As scientists, we need to stop using harmful and misleading terminology

Did you even read the article? It says nothing about misleading terms.

 

[John53]

James Tour has been a chemist for over 40 years, I am not trying to become a scientist or chemist. Michael Behe has been a biologist for approximately 40 years as of 2023.

I've been watching videos from all the Scientists, Chemist and Biologist.

Single-cells transform into many cells everyday, It doesn't take millions of years.

So why does this take millions of years, for these things to happen?

• Non-life becoming Life?
• A single-cell becoming Multicellular Organism like a Dog?
• Multicellular Organisms becoming a different Multicellular Organism or Species..........I would like to see a video on this from any scientist, chemist or biologist.

Multicellular Organisms Examples

• Humans.
• Dogs.
• Cows.
• Cats.
• Chicken.
• Trees.
• Horse.

From what I have been learning, cells transform into many cells every day, not over a millions of years of time.
Dogs transform into so many forms of dogs everyday, some 400, It does not take millions of years.

There are approximately 400 separate breeds of purebred dogs worldwide.

So wolf to toy poodle in 1 generation?

 

[walt]

So wolf to toy poodle in 1 generation?

Good point, I'm just trying to make sense of all this, Thanks. That doesn't happen everyday and I'm sure it takes a long time for a wolf to evolve into a toy poodle?

 

[YoursTrue]

Did you even read the article? It says nothing about misleading terms.

It speaks of misleading terminology used by scientists. The author states within the article, "many scientific terms actually stem from societal assumptions and stereotypes, and this can communicate misleading messages to both scientists and the public." Also the title of the article is:

"As scientists, we need to stop using harmful and misleading terminology"​

 

[walt]

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There are many examples of non-life becoming life - some scientist have said, but other scientists say they are not starting with non-life, they are starting with cells that are alive and then they remove something from the cell and then put something back into the cell, from another cell.

So in reality, they are starting with cells already alive, in the first place.

 

[F1fan]

James Tour has been a chemist for over 40 years, I am not trying to become a scientist or chemist. Michael Behe has been a biologist for approximately 40 years as of 2023.

I've been watching videos from all the Scientists, Chemist and Biologist.

Single-cells transform into many cells everyday, It doesn't take millions of years.

So why does this take millions of years, for these things to happen?

• Non-life becoming Life?
• A single-cell becoming Multicellular Organism like a Dog?
• Multicellular Organisms becoming a different Multicellular Organism or Species..........I would like to see a video on this from any scientist, chemist or biologist.

Multicellular Organisms Examples

• Humans.
• Dogs.
• Cows.
• Cats.
• Chicken.
• Trees.
• Horse.

From what I have been learning, cells transform into many cells every day, not over a millions of years of time.
Dogs transform into so many forms of dogs everyday, some 400, It does not take millions of years.

There are approximately 400 separate breeds of purebred dogs worldwide.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, I would like to see a video that explains why unobservant things are facts?
Where is the scientist that will explain these important issues?

Dog breeds were created by humans who used evolution to select certain traits deliberately. Nature just runs its natural course. You can have a new generation of offspring in a year, so breeders were able to create certain types of dogs quite quickly.

I'm astounded how little knowledge some of these members are about even the most basic concepts of biology and evolution. Yet they have doubts?

 

[walt]

Dog breeds were created by humans who used evolution to select certain traits deliberately. Nature just runs its natural course. You can have a new generation of offspring in a year, so breeders were able to create certain types of dogs quite quickly.

I'm astounded how little knowledge some of these members are about even the most basic concepts of biology and evolution. Yet they have doubts?

That makes sense to me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

James Tour has been a chemist for over 40 years, I am not trying to become a scientist or chemist. Michael Behe has been a biologist for approximately 40 years as of 2023.

Once again, so what? Just because someone understands one small area of the sciences it does not mean that he understands others. Tour can do Synthetic Chemistry. I never denied that, but due to his superstitious beliefs he will not allow himself to understand abiogenesis. As a result he looks like a fool when he debates against it.

I've been watching videos from all the Scientists, Chemist and Biologist.

If you watch creationists you are not really watching scientists.

Single-cells transform into many cells everyday, It doesn't take millions of years.

Because it took many millions of years for that ability to evolve. Once a trait evolves it is "easy". But until then it may be impossible.

So why does this take millions of years, for these things to happen?

• Non-life becoming Life?
• A single-cell becoming Multicellular Organism like a Dog?
• Multicellular Organisms becoming a different Multicellular Organism or Species..........I would like to see a video on this from any scientist, chemist or biologist.

Once again, complex events take a lot of time. When real time evolution is shown to creationists all that they can do is to dishonestly deny it, even though the differences can be shown. Evolution is not a fast process.

Multicellular Organisms Examples

• Humans.
• Dogs.
• Cows.
• Cats.
• Chicken.
• Trees.
• Horse.

From what I have been learning, cells transform into many cells every day, not over a millions of years of time.
Dogs transform into so many forms of dogs everyday, some 400, It does not take millions of years.

You are conflating maturing and evolving. Those are incredibly different events.

There are approximately 400 separate breeds of purebred dogs worldwide.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, I would like to see a video that explains why unobservant things are facts?
Where is the scientist that will explain these important issues?

What are you talking about? We observe evolution in countless different ways. Once again, you need to learn the basics of science. If you refuse you can only make foolish arguments against evolution that only demonstrate your ignorance.

Why are you afraid to learn?

 

[walt]

Once again, so what? Just because someone understands one small area of the sciences it does not mean that he understands others. Tour can do Synthetic Chemistry. I never denied that, but due to his superstitious beliefs he will not allow himself to understand abiogenesis. As a result he looks like a fool when he debates against it.



If you watch creationists you are not really watching scientists.


Because it took many millions of years for that ability to evolve. Once a trait evolves it is "easy". But until then it may be impossible.


Once again, complex events take a lot of time. When real time evolution is shown to creationists all that they can do is to dishonestly deny it, even though the differences can be shown. Evolution is not a fast process.


You are conflating maturing and evolving. Those are incredibly different events.

What are you talking about? We observe evolution in countless different ways. Once again, you need to learn the basics of science. If you refuse you can only make foolish arguments against evolution that only demonstrate your ignorance.

Why are you afraid to learn?

Do we observe [ non-life ] turning into life?
Do we observe any [ species ] turning into a totally different species?
Do we observe [ cells alone ] turning into any species?
Do we observe Multicellular Organism like a dog, turning into a totally different species?

 

[John53]

There are many examples of non-life becoming life - some scientist have said, but other scientists say they are not starting with non-life, they are starting with cells that are alive and then they remove something from the cell and then put something back into the cell, from another cell.

So in reality, they are starting with cells already alive, in the first place.

It depends what you're discussing Walt. Evolution does not deal with how life started. That would be either creation by some kind of being or abiogenesis. What I know about abiogenesis could be written on the back of a postage stamp so I rarely discuss it. I'm happy with not knowing how life first started but I accept that once it did start it evolved into the variety we see today.

 

[walt]

It depends what you're discussing Walt. Evolution does not deal with how life started. That would be either creation by some kind of being or abiogenesis. What I know about abiogenesis could be written on the back of a postage stamp so I rarely discuss it. I'm happy with not knowing how life first started but I accept that once it did start it evolved into the variety we see today.

Thanks I will keep this in mind. Why is evolution called a fact by some, when some parts are not observable?

 

[John53]

Thanks I will keep this in mind. Why is evolution called a fact by some, when some parts are not observable?

I can't answer that. I don't know who you're referring to or what they said or which part you're claiming is not observable.

 

[walt]

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Is this the correct stages?

non-life
single-cell
unicellular organisms
chordata

 

[John53]

Is this the correct stages?

non-life
single -cell
unicellular organisms
chordata

Non life isn't part of evolution and I have no idea what the first life was (however it started). I have no idea what chordata means. I'm a simple bloke Walt, an uneducated retired train driver.

 

[walt]

Non life isn't part of evolution and I have no idea what the first life was (however it started). I have no idea what chordata means. I'm a simple bloke Walt, an uneducated retired train driver.

No problem, just trying to get things as correct as possible.

 

[John53]

No problem, just trying to get things as correct as possible.

Asking loaded questions from some website isn't going to help you. If you're truly interested in learning about evolution there are people on here more than capable of helping you. I'd join in because I have plenty to learn.