For a thread titled 'On Evolution and Creation', the discussion seems a bit one-sided at the moment.
Could the creationists here provide a detailed, evidence-based case for special creation, rather than merely attacking the theory of evolution?
I have told everyone here what Evidence I would require to even consider the BBT and Evolution and none has been provided yet.
I will repeat:
# 1 The BBT to be true has to have a beginning to exist. Hawking said the universe has not always existed.
Either the universe has always eternally existed in the past and will always exist in the future in some form, or it had a beginning to exist.
If it had a beginning to exist as the BBT says Something had to exist 1 billionth of a second after T=0 that had to come from somewhere and it had to have enough energy and mass packed into something the size of a pin point to produce all the mass in the universe we live in.
My question is where did that little thingamabob come from and where did it get all that energy from?
# 2 Origin of life on earth.
My question is How did life start when there was no life of any kind on earth
The only answer I have ever gotten from a real scientist is "we don't know" then he/she will add "yet". Which I will accept, as there is no observational or experimental way of obtaining that information.
If you got an answer I would like to hear it.
I am going to make some assumptions here.
You don't believe God exists.
You believe the Bible is a bunch of myths.
There is nothing I can say or do that would make you change your mind.
You believe what you have been taught.
So I am not going to argue with you. But I will see if I can make a case for God existing.
I have a Book called the Bible that most folks even those who profess to be christians don't believe in or practice. There are a few Christians that still believe what is says and practices what it says. You notice a difference in the two words 'Christians' That is because not all who profess are God's Children.
I don't claim to be a Christian because that means I am living a life like Christ did. I am just a sinner saved by God's grace which I really don't deserve but I am His child because I have been born again washed in the Bood that was shed on Calvary's Tree so my sins could be forgiven and I have accepted His full free pardon. I can't earn it, buy it, I can only possess it by believing He will do what He says He will do.
BTW I like the quote of Edward Abbey and I agree that if that was my destiny it would be even more than I deserved. So I thank my God for His Grace which is unmerited favor.
I went to Bible College, and I have a Bible Language Diploma as I majored in Hebrew and Greek as I wanted to be able to study the original language and you can see what Moses wrote with in my Avatar.
I think I am in a very small minority of believers that believe the Bible like I do.
I Believe Genesis 1:1 is a declarative statement of fact.
"In the beginning created God the heaven and the earth.
I don't know when the beginning was so I just say: "I believe that the universe and earth and all the things we can see and can not see has existed for eternity past in some form just not in the form we see it today."
The earth was ready to be inhabited. Not as it is found in Genesis 1:2. Isaiah and Jeremiah both tell us God did not create it vain and uninhabitable.
The History of the day God created the heavens, and the earth is found in Genesis 2:4.
Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD".
The Hebrew word translated generation could have and should have been history, which is the same as generations except history would be talking about events that transpired while generations is dealing with mankind.
Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."
There was no life forms on earth yet of any kind.
Genesis 2:6 tells us a mist watered the face of the Ground.
Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul". Being should have been the translation of the strikethrough.
First life form on earth mankind.
Genesis 2:8 "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil".
Now we got plant life and the man in the garden.
I don't know why verses 10-14 was placed here before verses15-17 which would continued the narrative of the man.
But this little bit of information about the irrigation system was placed there at some point in time.
Genesis2:15"
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Now man was given a job to do
16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:"
17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The original says die you will surely die, that means he had to die in the same light period because God called the light period, DAY in Genesis 1:5. The darkness He had created that is found at Genesis 1:2 He called night.
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."
20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
God took a bone from the man's side in verse 21 and brought the cloned female to the man and he called her woman. And since then neither God or man has rested. Pun intended.
Now we have animals and fowls formed from the ground This compares with what science says about the origin of life on the planet earth except for man being first. But they all came from the ground. Did you notice no fish were mentioned.
I can't tell you how small that man was or how big he was or what he looked like as the Bible does not say.
It doesn't say how long he lived or when in duration he died but he did die in that same light period as no one existed on earth or lifeform in the ocean at Genesis 1:2.
How long was the period of darkness on the earth, I don't know as the Bible does not say.
How much time existed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, just one light period in the entire universe.
What was the temperature in that eternal light period with no darkness, I don't know the Bible don't say but I would think it was a lot hotter that it is now on earth.
In Genesis chapter three we have the story of how the devil tricked the woman into eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and they were kicked out of the garden.
In Genesis 3: " For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." The devil lied, her eyes were not opened to know good and evil, she still only knew good.
Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband
with her; and he did eat."
The two words that have the strike through are not in the Hebrew text they were simply added by the translators.
Genesis 3:7 "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
After the man ate of the fruit breaking the commandment he was given their eyes were opened . That is the reason I say the woman was not given the commandment not to eat the fruit. The man knew she would die and he was going to be alone with all those animals by himself so he gave up everything for the woman and ate to be able to die with her.
In Genesis 4:1-24 gives us the history of the man formed from the dust of the ground and his and the womans children, at least 7 generations of people, how long did they live, we don't know as the Bible does not say.
So all these things took place in a single light period of existence with no way to measure the durations length.
There are two more specific creation events modern mankind and fish.
In my next post I will start at Genesis 1:2 and go through many of the objections I have seen over the years to the creation story of the Bible. They will all disappear.
The post after that one I will submit evidence to support my position of creation the Biblical way.
Until then Enjoy,