Once Again The United States Supreme Court Blows It

[Stevicus]

Say that we heathens took over government, & changed the motto to....
"There Ain't No God"
or
"Satan Is My Copilot"

Would Christians accept that as de minimis, just as they expect others to accept their motto?

Well, it is rather poor grammar. I'll fix it:

"There is no God."

"Satan is my co-pilot." (Santa is my navigator.)

 

[Road Warrior]

Quick catch dude. I thought I was quoting your "Atheists can go pound sand" version.

Hey, @Road Warrior .
Remember the point I was making? About Christians and abrasive arrogance?
You never responded to that point. Perhaps this quote will spur you a bit.

Or maybe not, it won't surprise me.
Tom

Two arrogant believers arguing who is more arrogant and who is correct? LOL

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, it is rather poor grammar. I'll fix it:

But it's a traditional motto.
After all, tradition is what the USSC claims to vaunt.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Flint water is up to snuff these days.
You could safely make your Kool Aid with it.
Using the Moon as part of a Mars mission has long been discussed.
What you're missing is the real error, ie, that sending humans to Mars is worthwhile.

I think sending humans to Mars is worthwhile, if they let me pick who is going.

 

[columbus]

Two arrogant believers arguing who is more arrogant and who is correct? LOL

Oh, you're one of those Christians who think that not having a belief is a belief.
Got it.

You still haven't responded to my question.
Why do Christians think that this is important enough to divide the American people over? Don't they care about the country?
Tom

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Say that we heathens took over government, & changed the motto to....
"There Ain't No God"
or
"Satan Is My Copilot"

Would Christians accept that as de minimis, just as they expect others to accept their motto?

A good point, though I would not be offended if our money had Stan Is My Copilot on it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A good point, though I would not be offended if our money had Stan Is My Copilot on it.

I never liked Stan either.

 

[Road Warrior]

Oh, you're one of those Christians...

LOL Funny how people are predisposed to thinking they know someone. What do you think of someone who thinks all gays are alike?...or worse? Do you think they are foolish and self-absorbed to the point they have blinded themselves to the truth?

 

[columbus]

LOL Funny how people are predisposed to thinking they know someone. What do you think of someone who thinks all gays are alike?...or worse? Do you think they are foolish and self-absorbed to the point they have blinded themselves to the truth?

I was referring specifically to a statement you posted.
Are you going to keep dodging my question?
Tom

 

[shmogie]

It's very simple: I don't believe in "God," but my money says I do.

I am an American, but I am not a part of the "We" in "In God We Trust." Millions of good, moral, patriotic citizens do not believe in a god. We pay taxes, vote, sit on juries and serve in the military, but every time we spend a dollar bill we are told that Congress considers us outsiders.

Unbelievers represent 32% of the population (see post 11) By comparison, Jews are a respected minority at 2%-3%. Most people would consider "In Jesus We Trust" to be exclusionary and inappropriate. So, why is it okay to exclude atheists and agnostics?

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They exclude themselves. No one says they have to trust in God. It does them absolutely no harm for this to be on coinage.

Jehovah´s Witnesses do not say the pledge of allegiance, yet they retain all the rights of citizenship

I was close to tears when I read how Congress considers atheists outsiders because In God We Trust is on the currency. Does that make me an Outsider because In God We Trust wasn´t on my tax refund check ?

Should a Libertarian party member feel like an outsider because the faces of none of them are on the money ?
Are Jews and Seventh Day Adventists excluded because the government delivers mail on the Sabbath ?

The Atheists lost their silly suit, best to get over it.

 

[Stevicus]

But it's a traditional motto.
After all, tradition is what the USSC claims to vaunt.

How about this as our motto: "Damned if we do, damned if we don't."

I think that pretty much sums up the country at this point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was referring specifically to a statement you posted.
Are you going to keep dodging my question?
Tom

Oddly enough he appears to be an atheist that does not like the definition of atheism.

 

[Road Warrior]

I was referring specifically to a statement you posted.
Are you going to keep dodging my question?
Tom

I answered it. You don't have to like my answer.

You'd perhaps be surprised by how many people still whine about marriage equality, despite SCOTUS rulings and a clear majority supporting it.
Tom

I've seen their complaints. Obviously they never accepted the 14th Amendment.

 

[columbus]

I answered it. You don't have to like my answer.

Christians are abrasively arrogant because of the 14th amendment?
Never mind.
I understand well enough.
Tom

 

[Watchmen]

Get over it. The SCOTUS hears a limited number of cases each year. It can’t hear everything and must carefully pick what it will address. Apparently this wasn’t high on its priority list.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

E pluribus unum hasn't been changed as the official motto of our nation, Frank. It still is. Regarding the precedence to referencing God within civil contexts, this goes back to (again) the FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF THIS NATION which contains a notable and explicit reference to a Creator. Speaking to the Founding Fathers, the vast majority of them were either Christians or Deists, individuals who believed in a God. Again, let us re-establish this: is any American citizen here being compelled or otherwise forced by their government to believe in a god or gods, or to adopt any particular religion? No.

Many of the founders were slaveowners, too, so what's your point? My point is that the government has no business endorsing religion or religious belief, especially since a sizable proportion of our citizens don't believe in a god. I do not believe in a capital "G" deity so that does not represent me.

 

[Sundance]

The problem for atheists is that it asserts there is a God.

Strictly speaking, it does not. If anything, it is an expression of the personal beliefs of the individuals who devised or had used the phrase. Namely, those leaders who did believe in a God. It's like in the days of the Japanese emperors before the Meiji Era who had believed themselves to be descended from the kami. Japanese people today recognize that such a belief is only a matter of tradition. Nothing more. Coincidentally, approximately the same percentage of Japanese, as Americans, are Atheists.

 

[JJ50]

Any country which permits all and sundry to possess fire arms is CRAZY! Thank goodness I live in the UK!

 

[Sundance]

Many of the founders were slaveowners, too, so what's your point? My point is that the government has no business endorsing religion or religious belief, especially since a sizable proportion of our citizens don't believe in a god. I do not believe in a capital "G" deity so that does not represent me.

Call me crazy, but I knew you would reference such. My point is regarding religion, the government isn't advocating for any particular religion, so such issues as this one shouldn't exist. Are you not free to practice Germanic Religion as you desire? Are not they (the Atheists) free to disbelieve as they desire? I'll say — as a religiously unaffiliated person myself, aobeit one with decidedly religious beliefs — I'm absolutely free to do so without violating any laws. I ask in reiteration: what do references to any God or no gods at all matter then? Do such impact your freedoms here?

Also, I may not be a Christian, or a monotheist at all actually (I'm actually a henotheist, rather), but, my dear friend, I too worship a single deity who I consider the Supreme Being, while according to others the right to do the same. So, I myself take no offense whatsoever to the words “In God We Trust”.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Ultimately they failed because they put their trust solely in humanity, which failed them.

The Roman Empire put its trust in the Christian god, abandoned the Roman pantheon and abolished the Pax Deorum. Why did the Roman Empire fall? Because they put their trust solely in Jesus, which failed them.

See? Anyone can do it.