Thats rather non-sequitur. Do tell how being a creationist leads someone to not taking responsibility for their own actions?
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"One Fact to Refute Creationism"
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Thats rather non-sequitur. Do tell how being a creationist leads someone to not taking responsibility for their own actions?
I cite you as evidence. I cite you also for bearing false witness and dishonesty in general.
And what is the truth?
Is it the factual definition... that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
Or is it the other definition...a belief that i am told to believe is true.
How am I dishonest? I cited an article. The article made the sexist accusations. You need to learn to definitions of words before you use them.
Yes, you cited an article. Then you removed all responsibility from yourself for citing an article. We know. That's what we're telling you.
"Your being irrational. The Guardian is responsible for what it publishes, not the people who quote what was published."
I use that as evidence for you bearing false witness. The Bible clearly says the opposite of what you say there. You are in fact responsible for what you quote, or what you do, or what you say.
You are a case in point. Whether you are typical is not in question, it happens often enough.
Maybe it's the other way round, perhaps being incapable of accepting responsibly for ones own actions that promotes creationism
Bearing false witness means that I claim I witnessed him being sexist and lied about it.
I have made no such claim. So your accusation is false. I cited an article publicly published by a major news source. I never vouched for it integrity or anything of the sort. It is the responsibility of the editor of the news paper to vouch for it's integrity.
Well, i think it's probably easier to relinquish responsibility to a Magical Wizard in the Sky than be responsible for your own actions.
Well make up your mind already would you! I don't have all day!
It means much more than just that. Here it refers to the fact that you are not taking responsibility for your actions, but trying to shift blame to someone else(The Guardian.)
Even something as "tiny" as making a hasty judgement is bearing false witness.
You don't understand what i claimed, therefore your accusation is based on wishful thinking.
Yes, you did. On a debate forum, and used it to make a point. In fact, in the same post, you even posted your own opinion, and tried to use the article to support it. ALL this leads me to believe that you don't so much care for representing the truth as long as you get to look infallible. Well, you failed already so it's no use continuing this charade.
YOU are responsible for your actions. Not the Guardian.
You used the article to support your statement. In a debate, that is the very same thing. It was YOUR debate.
Not in this context. THEY didn't come and post it here. You did.
It's the truth at least.
I always tell the truth I have no god to lie for
I have all my life. And perhaps I'll never understand the mind of a fact denier who refuses to take responsibly for their own actions
Not taking responsibility = bearing false witness. Gotcha
Sure I do. You just said it. Bearing false witness = not taking responsibility. It is your accusation which is wishful thinking.
I'll solve that quandary for you real quick.
I am not infallible.
Happy?
It's posted publicly. It not like I snuck in stole the article them published it. Tsk tsk who is bearing false witness now?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
You are comically missing the point, again.
You are the witness in this context. You gave a false statement based on factually incorrect information. What's more, when this was pointed out, you openly lied about not having made any claims to try and avoid the responsibility for your own statements.
So yes, you were bearing false witness. Pretty straightforward. You were misrepresenting a bunch of different things, most importantly the truth, and you know it. THAT is bearing false witness.
Try again.
I'll solve that quandary for you real quick.
I am not infallible.
Happy?
Well, i already knew it so i'm not surprised.
You. You used it in this particular forum, particularly the debate forum. You posting an article in a debate thread is YOUR debate. Furthermore, we both know that's not all you did: You actually used the article to support a statement that you wrote:
"To be fair Dawkins is earning that allegation.
Both him and Sam Harris have chosen the path of bigotry and hatred."So. You lied, and you made false statements. Me telling you that you were bearing false witness is much milder than reality. I was trying to be nice.
Faithofchristian
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If you are told to believe in something, is that your belief or another's belief.
If I believe in something then it becomes my belief and not because someone told me.
Someone may tell you something, but that does not mean you have to believe it. You may take it inconsideration what they have said.but that does not mean you have to believe it.
Unless, you read it for yourself, and take upon yourself to believe it or not to believe it.
Let's take the dinosaurs for instance. Just because I was told about them, does not mean I have to accept what I am told.
But then I studied about the dinosaurs, how they lived here on earth Million to Billions of years ago.
Now I believe that it is true, that dinosaurs did in fact lived here on earth. In the history of an earth age of a long ago.
Back at a time when the earth first had it's start, that brought fourth the dinosaurs in a first earth age of long ago.
That now scientist find the remains of that first world age in fossilized rocks.
That gives us a glimpse back, of what the earth was like back all those Millions to Billions of years ago.
Telling us about a history of the first earth age, that has been embedded fossilized in rocks, telling us their story of what the earth first was like all those million to billions of years ago.
You see, just because someone told me about the dinosaurs, I wasn't quick to jump on board to believe in the dinosaurs, but then as I studied and went to museums of dinosaurs, it didn't take much from there for me to believe the dinosaurs living here in that first history of the earth age of long ago.
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Not taking responsibility = bearing false witness. Gotcha
Sure I do. You just said it. Bearing false witness = not taking responsibility. It is your accusation which is wishful thinking.
I'll solve that quandary for you real quick.
I am not infallible.
Happy?
It's posted publicly. It not like I snuck in stole the article them published it. Tsk tsk who is bearing false witness now?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
In have no problem sleeping at night despite your hyperbole.
The problem here is, you seem to think every one abides by your morality (and i use the word in its literal sense, not its selective Christian sense)
If you are told to believe something and you begin to believe it then it becomes your belief.
So how did you hear about this belief in the first place? Of course you have no need to believe it, the analytical mind would decide the merits of whatever is told you. Results of that analysis would depend on what you believe that you have previously been taught to believe.
Yet proof exists of dinosaurs existing, and the epochs they existed through, to deny their existence is folly as you have analysed for yourself by being told of their existence and seeing evidence to back up the story.
Dinosaurs were an evolutionary progression of life on the one and only earth who's history can be observed and traced in rocks and fossils back for over 4.5 billion years.