One God

[loverofhumanity]

Yep. For example, Christians don't believe in The Buddha. So, even though I know what The Buddha says is truth, in order to have peace among diversity, I have to give them their space as I have mine. I can't speak for them as a whole just from my experiences. From my experiences, I know that Christ is not just an educator just as The Buddha. From their experiences I know The Law of The Buddha is a lie.

Like with Deaf culture I mentioned. I can't defined Deaf culture from a hearing perspective. I have to use their terminology, their language, and their culture to understand who the Deaf community is as a whole.

It's the same with religions. Unless you are Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan, etc, reading sacred texts will only go so far. Without the actual experience of how these faiths differ even in their underlining goals and truth, then we can claim through Christ point of view, Bahaullauh, Muhamamd, all we want, it doesnt mean anything as a whole.

So if Mettya appears as is told by the Buddha you wouldn't be interested? But that's what your own sacred texts say not Baha'u'llah. Buddha has made the prophecy not Baha'is and as a Buddhist you wouldn't take notice of what He said? Very odd.

Buddhists should rejoice at the appearance of a Buddha.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So if Mettya appears as is told by the Buddha you wouldn't be interested? But that's what your own sacred texts say not Baha'u'llah. Buddha has made the prophecy not Baha'is and as a Buddhist you wouldn't take notice of what He said? Very odd.

Buddhists should rejoice at the appearance of a Buddha.

I think you literally and completely missed the content and context of what I said.

If you are to find peace in the world, you cannot define peace from a Bahai, Buddhist, Catholic, Jewish, Pagan, Hindu (and so forth) point of view.

You have to give Buddhist, Catholics, Jewish, Pagan, and Hindu (and so forth) their own space and their own Truth without telling them they hold an underlining One Truth because Bahallauh says they do.

Peace among diversity means accepting people for their differences not trying to find what everyone has in common. It means that underlining thread you see is different than the underlining thread that a Christian sees.

If Baha'ullah and Bahai does not see that, they cannot be at peace with others. They will always try to define peace for others through the eyes of Baha'ullah and not through the eyes of The Buddha, the Christ, Muhammad, and so forth.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unity in diversity is what we believe in.

 

[Tiapan]

For starters, all the major religions speak of only one reality. Moses, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, Krishna, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha'u'llah all spoke of only one God

If there is only one god, how come after thousands of years of searching by millions of the earths most prominent thinkers do we not by now have a clear and concrete understanding of what this entity is. Instead we have more oddball religious fantasies floating around the planet as ever, all claiming there "God written book" is the only truth and my god has a bigger baseball bat than your god.
Surely the Universe is an amazing and beautiful place, why can we not simply sit back and enjoy it as is, in the short wink of sentience we are privileged to enjoy. Instead we try to clutter its simplicity, formulating impossible super beings from the depths of our imaginations. (All gods are logically fallible)

Scientifically life emanates from a single cell, molecule, atom or point not two. Oneness is reflected in both the religious and scientific world not duplicity. All life revolves around a single point not two.

Good argument for Abiogenisis and Theory of Evolution rather than proof of a super fictional character I would have thought.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There are many, many proofs of God. In nature and the universe, in science and life but they are too numerous to mention in a short post. Suffice it to say we know God by His Signs. We know the sun exists by its light and warmth and we know intelligence far superior than man exists in the universe because we didn't design life or the human body or the right conditions for life to exist and to say that everything came about by random chance is pure nonsense and things like the human body function intelligently not randomly.

As I have said. There is overwhelming proof of God but people who are in denial and do not have the intelligence or reason developed sufficiently to understand it will object, protest, ridicule and try and discount the fact but to me I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists and that all the atheists offer up are negative, superstitious arguments that everything is random, that there is no higher intelligent being than man who could have designed and fashioned man, what pure and utter nonsense!! Atheists are the most superstitious people on earth because they cannot see the intelligence in creation and suppose it all 'just happened' like one wins a jackpot on a poker machine or the lottery and how often is that repeated?

If life depended only on natural selection man would still not exist.

"Every created thing in the whole universe is but a door leading into His knowledge, a sign of His sovereignty, a revelation of His names, a symbol of His majesty, a token of His power, a means of admittance into His straight Path….-Baha'u'llah

 

[Tiapan]

There are many, many proofs of God. In nature and the universe, in science and life but they are too numerous to mention in a short post. Suffice it to say we know God by His Signs. We know the sun exists by its light and warmth and we know intelligence far superior than man exists in the universe because we didn't design life or the human body or the right conditions for life to exist and to say that everything came about by random chance is pure nonsense and things like the human body function intelligently not randomly.

I disagree, there is a mountain of evidence that suggests this is exactly the case.

As I have said. There is overwhelming proof of God but people who are in denial and do not have the intelligence or reason developed sufficiently to understand it will object, protest, ridicule and try and discount the fact but to me I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists and that all the atheists offer up are negative, superstitious arguments that everything is random, that there is no higher intelligent being than man who could have designed and fashioned man, what pure and utter nonsense!! Atheists are the most superstitious people on earth because they cannot see the intelligence in creation and suppose it all 'just happened' like one wins a jackpot on a poker machine or the lottery and how often is that repeated?

It is less random than you suggest, as electromagnetic, nuclear and gravity forces of universal physics guide the elements on an almost inevitable path of complexity, giving rise to life and eventually to sentience simply based on the vast size of the universe where an almost infinite set of experiments can fail over trillions of years, yet some will inevitably succeed, This is just like the chances of winning the Lotto, your chance is low but someone wins every week.

If life depended only on natural selection man would still not exist.

That is your opinion, evidence suggests it is the main factor in hominid evolution

"Every created thing in the whole universe is but a door leading into His knowledge, a sign of His sovereignty, a revelation of His names, a symbol of His majesty, a token of His power, a means of admittance into His straight Path….-Baha'u'llah

Very anthropomorphic type god you seem to be describing, is there no HER?

Cheers

 

[loverofhumanity]

I disagree, there is a mountain of evidence that suggests this is exactly the case.

It is less random than you suggest, as electromagnetic, nuclear and gravity forces of universal physics guide the elements on an almost inevitable path of complexity, giving rise to life and eventually to sentience simply based on the vast size of the universe where an almost infinite set of experiments can fail over trillions of years, yet some will inevitably succeed, This is just like the chances of winning the Lotto, your chance is low but someone wins every week.

That is your opinion, evidence suggests it is the main factor in hominid evolution

Very anthropomorphic type god you seem to be describing, is there no HER?

Cheers

Then you don't believe there's a God. Simple as that. I respect that.

But everywhere you look there's intelligence yet when it comes to God people think we are the supreme intelligence in the universe. So narrow minded. So there's no higher forms of intelligence in the universe than us?

How do you know? I'm not speaking about an anthropomorphic God just a God Who has intelligence and is aware.

Nuclear and magnetic laws are laws. How did they become laws? Just decide they would be laws? They are mathematically and scientifically proven to be structured intelligently. Sis you or I construct the atom or the molecule or cell? No, it just got there by waving a magic wand!!

There is a cause behind every effect so there is a cause behind the seed, the molecule and the atom which is intelligent as you can't have structure and organization come out of randomness.

If I build a house. Over say 100 years, the weather may destroy and erode it and an earthquake may cause it to collapse into a pile of bricks.

But if I leave a pile of bricks for 100 years will they turn into a house by themself without a builder or architect?

It's purely illogical that that there is no Builder or Architect of the universe. Pure nonsense.

I respect you views. And I respect you. But to me it's as clear as a house gaming a builder and architect.

Maybe you believe brinks just become houses but I'm sticking with them needing a good architect and builder. You can't build a house or a world or man or the universe without an architect or a builder.

We call this Architect, God but He is not a man, however He possesses awareness, wisdom, knowledge and the ability to create and compose life.

You can't see God with your outward senses but you can see Him through your intelligence and reason. We know God by His Signs, man, nature, the world and the universe.

But we need to see Him through His Signs, the Perfect Beings, the Educators such as Buddha, Krishna, Moses, Muhammad, Christ and Bahaullah, because They were all perfect mirrors reflecting His attributes. By knowing them we know God.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Which traditions are you referring to as His Teachings have all these things covered but you need to be more specific so I can find if He refers to them or not?

The list is endless...Here are a few for starters: Aka tradition (Aka people, Central African Rainforest), Odinani (Igbo people), traditional Serer religion (Serer people), traditional Saami religion (Saami people), traditional Komi religion (Komi people, Russia), Donyi-Polo (Tani-speaking peoples, eastern Himalayas), Sunda Wiwitan (Java), traditional Kulin Nation religion (Kulin Nation, Australia), traditional Kwakwaka'wakw religion (Kwakwaka'wakw people), traditional Zuni religion (Zuni people), the 'Maria Lionza' religion (Venezuela), traditional Yanomami religion (Yanomami people)...

Same sex marriage is all about sex as we can all love each other and don't need to get married to love one another.

And the same doesn't hold true for heterosexual marriage?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Which religion is that?

My particular take on Islaam.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

things like the golden mean, are common to all Faiths

Er, I don't think so...Here's just one counterexample https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Er, I don't think so...Here's just one counterexample https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles.

By Faiths let me clarify that I meant the major religions such as Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and the Baha'i Faith etc

We do not consider groups like the one you linked to as a religion.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Truth is in all religions. That is why we believe in them all.

What about the various forms of Satanism?

 

[loverofhumanity]

The list is endless...Here are a few for starters: Aka tradition (Aka people, Central African Rainforest), Odinani (Igbo people), traditional Serer religion (Serer people), traditional Saami religion (Saami people), traditional Komi religion (Komi people, Russia), Donyi-Polo (Tani-speaking peoples, eastern Himalayas), Sunda Wiwitan (Java), traditional Kulin Nation religion (Kulin Nation, Australia), traditional Kwakwaka'wakw religion (Kwakwaka'wakw people), traditional Zuni religion (Zuni people), the 'Maria Lionza' religion (Venezuela), traditional Yanomami religion (Yanomami people)...



And the same doesn't hold true for heterosexual marriage?

I would be able to identify the traditions Baha'u'llah covers by their basic beliefs rather than their names. Baha'u'llah covers all religious and spiritual concepts in His Teachings so which concepts, ideas, beliefs specifically are we talking about? He has them all covered but I can't identify the beliefs by the names of the tribes.

As with heterosexual marriage it plays the role of procreation whereas in homosexuality it is just for pleasure. Sex within marriage between a man and a woman keeps our species from dying out.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

As with heterosexual marriage it plays the role of procreation whereas in homosexuality it is just for pleasure.

No, homosexual sex can be an expression of love just as heterosexual sex can be. You make homosexual sex sound like it's only hedonistic indulgence.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What about the various forms of Satanism?

We Baha'is don't consider satanism as a religion. But often people mix ideas of their own with elements of truth. Even the most uneducated person understands many truths.

I was just reading where one satanism group says that every age has its own civilization. Well that's written in many Holy Books so although they claim to be satanists, some of their basic beliefs come from Holy Books of religions they say they don't accept.

The bottom line though is not what people believe but that we should treat all human beings with dignity and respect whether they are a religionists atheist, spiritualist or satanist. It doesn't matter.

The common denominator is we have our humanity in common regardless of our beliefs.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

By Faiths let me clarify that I meant the major religions such as Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and the Baha'i Faith etc

We do not consider groups like the one you linked to as a religion.

So what counts as a 'major religion', or indeed a 'religion' at all, in your eyes?

 

[loverofhumanity]

No, homosexual sex can be an expression of love just as heterosexual sex can be. You make homosexual sex sound like it's only hedonistic indulgence.

It could be of course but it serves no purpose in perpetuating human life. And it is selfish to adopt because then the child would be denied the human right of having both a mother and a father.

A child is entitled to both. Who gives the adults the right to deprive the child of a mother or a father? Nature gave the child both.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

But often people mix ideas of their own with elements of truth.

Right, like Baha'u'llah..

I was just reading where one satanism group says that every age has its own civilization. Well that's written in many Holy Books so although they claim to be satanists, some of their basic beliefs come from Holy Books of religions they say they don't accept.

Who's to say they have got those beliefs from what you refer to as Holy Books of religions?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

It could be of course but it serves no purpose in perpetuating human life.

So all heterosexual marriages serve the purpose of perpetuating human life?

Moreover, why should marriage necessarily serve the purpose of perpetuating human life?

And it is selfish to adopt because then the child would be denied the human right of having both a mother and a father.

A child is entitled to both. Who gives the adults the right to deprive the child of a mother or a father? Nature gave the child both.

'Nature' doesn't always give a child a mother and father, though. Where, for example, does IVF figure in this?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So what counts as a 'major religion', or indeed a 'religion' at all, in your eyes?

All the major religions Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrian Faith, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and the Baha'i Faith.

Science is another truth we believe in. But there are many organizations which teach some truth but because they mix other unpalatable things in we can't accept them as a whole. Also many tribal traditions are truth and the list is endless as far as truth goes. It's everywhere.

But religions we fully uphold are only those that were taught by the Educators such as Christ, Buddha, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah etc.