One of the reason I don't believe in myths

[tetra46]

Some of you wonderful folk up here don't seem to read too carefully. I stated that some old and new faiths will always be with us, I don't like the idea but I'll manage to live with it. I only mentioned in my topic that the Egyptian and Greek gods had been put away to be worshipped no more, and; if man got that wrong then we are almost 100% sure the rest of the faiths are wrong too.

I am so sorry Darkdale but I disagree with you about the old faiths. You have no proof what-so-ever that old faiths were right, in fact there is much evidence that most old faiths were very cruel and often killed humans in the name of their faiths.

Dear Fluffy, superstition less valid than science, in my opinion?
I look at this in a simple and clear way, superstitions are a way of life they come and go. People can invent their own superstitions, like holding a rabbits paw for luck (it was not lucky for the rabbit though!) etc. Science on the other hand (also a way of life) aims to be rational, looks for the evidence before telling the world and give mankind a much better life. i.e. computers, doctors, cars etc; the list goes on and on. Superstition is a lot less valid than science, in my opinion? Oh yes yes yes......tetra

 

[joeboonda]

Why post on a religious forum if you don't even believe in having a religion? Perhaps, deep down, you know that man is made of not only body, mind, and soul, but also of spirit. Perhaps not. But why bother with those of us who do subscribe to a religion whatever that may be? Are you sure about those ancient Homo Habilis men living millions of years ago? Sounds like a myth or fairy tail to me: "long long ago in a land far away..." And the fact that mankind kills each other and does many terrible things looks to me like we are not evolving at all, in fact it looks just like what the Bible says, that the heart of man is wicked and dark. Are you sure there is no God? Absolutely? Just wondered why you would bother to think about or write about it if there was none. Just wondering is all.

 

[agchmq]

Whoa!!!! Old religions were cruel! They were not, not all. Christinaity has killed more people than all the wars (even if in name only sometimes). And (apologies for bad grammar) I thought religion was all about faith not proof?
I agree people invent there own superstitions, hence religion, something that requires belief in the face of the obvious 'truth'. We all have our own truth and one day we will come down from the trees and be responsible for us for who we are and what we do. No father figures no 'devil' or 'evil' to blame but ourselves. Why cant we have faith in who and what we are, then we will be our own 'god', and we will be all we can be?
Oh and to the scientist (I have a masters degree in Physics) there are so many questions you arrogant bunch cant answer (just ask, i'll give you just a few). 1 to start with; has science really helped mankind achieve peace (in ANY way?)
Andy

 

[Mister Emu]

Whoa!!!! Old religions were cruel! They were not, not all.

I suppose from this statement that you have intricate knowledge of "old" religions including practices and the reasons for such...

Christinaity has killed more people than all the wars (even if in name only sometimes).

Statistics?

I thought religion was all about faith not proof?

My religion requires both... we are to have faith, yet we are also to prove all things...

religion, something that requires belief in the face of the obvious 'truth'.

What "truth" would that be?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Oh and to the scientist (I have a masters degree in Physics) there are so many questions you arrogant bunch cant answer (just ask, i'll give you just a few). 1 to start with; has science really helped mankind achieve peace (in ANY way?)

Science hasn't even helped you articulate a coherent position. Do better next time.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Please, let's remember that we don't need to attack any specific religions.

 

[Sunstone]

Christinaity has killed more people than all the wars (even if in name only sometimes).

While I agree that Christianity has been involved in some wars, I find it impossible to believe that "Christianity has killed more people than all wars." What's your evidence for this statement?

 

[agchmq]

The 'wise' man has a quick answer; deflect the question i.e. no answer.
I didn't say I did not believe in A god but I believe the masses will always be the 'masses' with a religious yolk around their neck keeping them in their place keeping them down. I hope there is A god but man cannot find it in 'chains', not in tight 'religious' strictures. The bible is quoted often as is the koran, etc. So what these were written by men not god. Men with their own agenda, political purposes. Men and women should be able to find their own god, if they exist and exist for them.
Andy

 

[Sunstone]

BTW, Andy, welcome to the Forums!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The 'wise' man has a quick answer; deflect the question i.e. no answer.

<yawn>Stop the pretentious babbling and substantiate your claim the "Christinaity has killed more people than all the wars (even if in name only sometimes)". </yawn>

 

[agchmq]

In reply to your question of the number of people dying in the name of christianity, are you ready?
All christian religions from about 500AD in Europe, Cathars, Agnostics etc the caholic church had to silence them, 10s of thousands of them(A huge percentage of the world population at that time). Staying in Europe, the Crusades, all of them. We performed the first Jihad not the muslims, 100s of thousand died, on both sides though the muslims were much more merciful. In Europe thousand died in the name of the pope, to preserve the roman catholic powerbase, numerous kings made unsavoury pacts with the pope. In the 'New world' millions died in the name of the Spanish Kings (as well as French and English) who claimed it was 'right' to make slaves of and to kill the natives as they were heathens, non believers. Then we have the catholics and protestants still, hundreds of years later killing each other-in the name of religion!!! Oh Lets not forget Hitler the christinian who killed million because of their religion. Now we come to modern times (I have not mentioned all the 'religious wars'-I dont have all night);oh i did not mention Hitler,Franklin Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin(STALIN!!!) who said god was on their side, to help motivate the soldiers? Did Bush, the twat, not pray to god and claim he was right, in gods eyes, to go to war? Christians against Muslims???I would suggest that you should read about the history of christianity.

 

[agchmq]

Well Katrina if you think what I wrote was pretentious you obviously have your blinkers on. You deny my claim, I have given a brief substantiation of my claim.
Andy

 

[agchmq]

Statistics? You are obviously are not a scientist, mathematician or politician. Lies, dam lies and statistics, they will say what you want. NEVER believe statistics, ever.
Andy

 

[agchmq]

I have as much knowledge as exists at present about 'old' religions'. I have studied religion for a number of years and I speak from a point of 'knowledge'. But I have already pointed out that science doesn't have the answers, and what we know is based on archaeology and suposition; hey its almost religion!
Andy

 

[agchmq]

You talk of not 'attacking' certain religions-I did start off by being very general in what I believe but you changed things. I could much crueller to the catholic religion but I know there has been and still are thousands of people who try to do better by their fellow man/woman in the name of the catholic church. Fair enough but you challenged me(Katrina) to substantiate my claims. Do not whine when I do.
Andy

 

[Feathers in Hair]

I'm sorry, but I see no reference to Katrina in this thread. Are you referring to yourself as Katrina or to the group in general?

I also don't believe I 'changed' anything. I was simply asking people not to specify an attack on a particular religion. And I whined nothing. That said,

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[Mister Emu]

A. The Crusades were a reaction to hostilities... http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm#I

B. Hitler was not a Christian. Here are some quotes from "Hitler's Table Talk"

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.

p.6 & 7

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

p. 43

C. Stalin was not a Christian either... he was the leader of an Atheistic regime which persecuted and martyred many Christians...

 

[agchmq]

I was asked, by you to justify a claim, when I did you them claimed I was attacking a specific religion. I did concentrate on the christian religion- for good reason, but, lets mention other religions, (chritianity is too easy a target). Lets go back to the Vikings(and further) who believe you got into Valhalla only by dying in combat, they did a lot of murder etc in Europe for around 100 years. The Aztecs/Incas who sacrificed 100s of thousands to 'feed their god', so the sun would rise. Paelelothic peoples who made 'sacrifices to their gods (wicker man-burning people alive)). The Romans who's strongest God was Mars-the god of War, how many do you think died on the battle 'divinations' of priests? The Muslims fundamentalists who believe if your are not a believer you should be killed(not quite keeping line with the Koran, but Muslims, christians will find a way to twist their 'words of god').
Jews of modern times (though they are no less fanatical and bloodthirsty than they were 2000+ years ago) kill people everyday because they stole land that thay claimed their bible said they were entitled to!!!!(Think I will try that with my nieghbour!) The Palestinians kill partly because they have been invaded but also because its jews they are killing.
How did the king control his people, make them fight and kill others? Why did kings have 'god given rights'? Its an excuse to do what you want when you want to whom you want and religious leaders have always been happy to go along with the concept because they gain so much power and wealth, whatever their religion. I could go on all night but its 4am in UK and I have to be up early.
I just think people should find their own god not a 'prepacked' load of ******* from people who politicaly and financially gain from a 'flock of sheep'.
Andy

 

[Feathers in Hair]

When did I ask you to justify a claim?

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Some of you wonderful folk up here don't seem to read too carefully. I stated that some old and new faiths will always be with us, I don't like the idea but I'll manage to live with it. I only mentioned in my topic that the Egyptian and Greek gods had been put away to be worshipped no more, and; if man got that wrong then we are almost 100% sure the rest of the faiths are wrong too.

Helloooo. Ever heard of Kemetic Orthodoxy? They would be the people following the Egyptian pantheon. Oh, except for the fact that they aren't real people, because you said there aren't any people worshiping those gods, and you're absolutely correct. Except for the bit where you're absolutely WRONG. You might also like to consider that just because there is currently no formal religion based around the classical Greek pantheon (who you also happened to mention) doesn't mean that these fine gods and goddesses don't get any airtime. There are plenty of people out there who borrow from one pantheon or another at need.
The moral of this story is; don't assume that just because a faith is not hugely publicised (though if you could bother to google kemetic, you'd get 79,000+ hits) that their gods have been 'put away'.