Inside Burma they use both terms Burma and Myanmar. I just got used to Burma but sometimes call it Myanmar. It’s more from habit.
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Inside Burma they use both terms Burma and Myanmar. I just got used to Burma but sometimes call it Myanmar. It’s more from habit.
I try to keep updated with Sri Lanka, Chennai, Bengaluru, Mumbai, Kolkata, etc. At one time I still used the British names, but to me it's like using the new name of a person who changed their name.
I will hear the former names occasionally. and actually like joking with folks that I'm off to the Sandwich Islands mostly because they don't know where those islands are, it's been so long.
CG Didymus
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I890's wasn't it?
If it is not unanimous then it's not "oneness". It's us, the majority, are tired of them, the rich and powerful, exploiting people and resources. But they've got the power. How do you vote them out? Like in the U.S., those in power can make laws to make it harder for people to vote. And those in power can gerrymander the districts to limit the opposition from gaining positions of power.
It shows here on the forum just how most, even Baha'is, are here to promote their beliefs. I don't see an atmosphere of oneness and acceptance being promoted. And it's too late to claim that Baha'is believe and accept all people, even Atheists, as friends and brothers and sisters. The verbal battles have been raging. And most people know that the Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is a new messenger from God and has described who God is and what he wants... That only by following Baha'u'llah's guidelines will we ever get to a place where we have peace and unity. Which means, ultimately, a belief in one God and one religion. So, although Baha'is don't want to, their beliefs are already enough to cause divisiveness.
The U.S. has pressure in opposite directions. Some want guns gone or at least more restrictions. Others want more guns and less resrictions. Some want laws to protect the environment. Others say that climate change is a hoax and want fewer laws. Thousands of people came to the U.S. border seeking refuge. Most got turned away. Some want to let most of them in. Others don't want any of them.
Black Lives Matter protests were everywhere. Was there a statement from the NSA of the United States that supported it? Was there Baha'is openly marching in those protests? To where the news could report, "Members of the Baha'i Faith held hands with other protesters demanding the end to police violence towards the Black community"? Black Christian leaders were there and, in the news, almost every day. But the roots of the problem are way too deep to just put a few band aids on it. And the Baha'is know that. Which takes us back to those in power. Do they want, and will they allow the changes that are needed?
We cannot prevent that.
We can also not prevent people from imputing to Baha'i their assumptions and visions of the Faith we have embraced.
If I offer we are all inclusive, a person that does not see that from a Baha'i perspective will offer we are not all inclusive.
Such is faith, such is life. All we offer is the Baha'i worldwide community as an example of what is offered.
Regards Tony
Rather than post it here, here is one letter on that topic from the Universal House of Justice.
27 April 2017 – [To an individual] | Bahá’í Reference Library
Regards Tony
To begin with, the Baha’i system runs on majority vote not consensus or unanimity. Whatever the majority decide, that is what is implemented from the House of Justice down.
Next, the Baha’i teachings are about human rights and justice and alleviating the problems of the world by collectively collaborating. Of course there is going to be divisiveness between moving forward to a peaceful world with some traditionalists wanting to take us back to the days of the caliphs and beyond.
We address darkness with the only weapon we know that can destroy it and that is light. So instead of Black Lives Matter we promote harmony of races because you need both to work together to have peace between them.
Divisiveness existed well before Baha’u’llah arrived. All the religions had already been shattered into thousands of sects so much so that no religion on earth could be identified as none of them spoke with one voice. Who speaks for Hinduism or Buddhism or Christianity or Islam?
Baha’u’llah established a world community from a cross section of the human race who speak with one voice to show the world it can be done and have offered the model of the Baha’i community to the UN as the basis of a future world civilisation.
“Where, precisely, are "Judaism", "Buddhism", "Christianity", "Islám" and the others, since they obviously cannot be identified with the irreconcilably opposed organizations that purport to speak authoritatively in their names?”
Bahá’í World Centre
CG Didymus
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I've known some Baha'is that were absolutely inclusive to all people of any religion. But then there are Baha'i's that have said that all the other religions have corrupted their Scriptures by adding things into and misinterpreting. And they use that as one reason that God had to send another messenger. So, how can religions that are no longer believing or teaching the truth be accepted as "one" with Baha'is? Baha'i teachings have to be superior, don't they?
And if they are, fine. They should be taught and promoted. The word has to be spread, so people understand how their old beliefs have gotten corrupted. And that is exactly how some Baha'is talk... that a new messenger has come, and he has a new message from God that is not and will not be corrupted by men. And once a Baha'i has spread that message, religious people and Atheists are going to respond back challenging the validity of Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i message.
So, I don't think it is "assumptions". I think it is based on what some Baha'is have said. You can say you love the people, but I don't think you can say that you agree with what they believe. But then it's easy for a person to "say" they love someone, but then not act or show that they love that person.
CG Didymus
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"One of the current features of the process of the disintegration of the old world order manifest in the United States is the increasing polarization and fragmentation that has come to characterize so much of political and social life. There has been a hardening of viewpoints, increased incivility, an unwillingness to compromise or even entertain differing perspectives, and a tendency to automatically take sides and fight."
And it's getting worse.
I do not see it in that light CG. Remember most Baha'i used to follow other faiths, it's a transition, a realisation that the doctrine was not entirly correct, it's an Oh wow moment, no more, it's not pernicious, it's refreshing knowing that one is not bound to doctrines.
The Word of God is just that, one Word does not trump another. We can adjust our understanding of it.
Regards Tony
Yes, but it will get a lot better.
The Baha'i are at the grass roots teaching children and youth about the oneness of humanity and partaking in community service.
Regards Tony
rational experiences
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If a human says let me think and make movies to look at and think about.
Demon strata all life attacked by gods destroyer alien ark UFO.
Two types. Stone star ark falling. Returned.
UFO accumulated mass that sits above us whilst earth storms floods accumulate above us. Cools it so the space vacuum can suck it out.
As it takes cooling way above the mountains to get rid of it. Fallout.
Meanwhile earth ground life is left without water protection by burnt gases radiating above us.
Movie said after all nations cities fall by science causes historic from the oldest cause Egyptian pyramids temples twice. Now power plants. Machines carbon burning fuels.
Burning gases weakens sub structure weakens buildings also fall. Earth metals not UFO ark star radiation metals.
Men will unite claiming and we will then rebuild.
As humanity.
World war iii says men is a war about God
Do you really believe God should teach humanity a lesson.
Or should greedy human brothers give up the war upon life as DNA diversity existing as power of self themes as a family equal unified?
So leadership as DNA country national is relinquished to unification of family human.
Sharing national wealth with everyone. To create the imbalance once abundant earth life lost due to sciences war on God?
Rationality somehow needs to prevail.
As being life sacrificed is a pattern. Warning. Get sacrificed. Get taught. Spiritual versus Rich groups fighting for rights begins again.
We haven't yet broken the human behaviour lived experience. Civilization perishes by gods lessons.
Demon strata all life attacked by gods destroyer alien ark UFO.
Two types. Stone star ark falling. Returned.
UFO accumulated mass that sits above us whilst earth storms floods accumulate above us. Cools it so the space vacuum can suck it out.
As it takes cooling way above the mountains to get rid of it. Fallout.
Meanwhile earth ground life is left without water protection by burnt gases radiating above us.
Movie said after all nations cities fall by science causes historic from the oldest cause Egyptian pyramids temples twice. Now power plants. Machines carbon burning fuels.
Burning gases weakens sub structure weakens buildings also fall. Earth metals not UFO ark star radiation metals.
Men will unite claiming and we will then rebuild.
As humanity.
World war iii says men is a war about God
Do you really believe God should teach humanity a lesson.
Or should greedy human brothers give up the war upon life as DNA diversity existing as power of self themes as a family equal unified?
So leadership as DNA country national is relinquished to unification of family human.
Sharing national wealth with everyone. To create the imbalance once abundant earth life lost due to sciences war on God?
Rationality somehow needs to prevail.
As being life sacrificed is a pattern. Warning. Get sacrificed. Get taught. Spiritual versus Rich groups fighting for rights begins again.
We haven't yet broken the human behaviour lived experience. Civilization perishes by gods lessons.
One important thing not to over look is why, if each religion will always maintain its purity, and never become corrupt, would there ever be a need for their Messenger to return?
Why for instance would “Christ bother coming in the Glory of the Father” if Christianity was perfect? Or why would Krishna say that He returns from age to age to age - Whenever righteousness or goodness declines due to the rise of evil, then I come. For the protection of the good people and destruction of evil people, for re-establishing Dharma, I am born in every age and era.” - Why would He reestablish Dharma if the Dharma is perfect? Same with Buddha and the Day of Resurrection in Islam - And wait patiently for thy Lord. So in every religion there are prophecies saying that their own Buddha, Christ, Mehdi etc will return. What on earth for if the religion is still perfect?
It’s because no religion maintains its purity forever that religion needs to be renewed from age to age. That includes the Baha’i Faith. We are just a link in the chain of progressive revelation. Another prophet will appear to change, renew the Baha’i Faith when it’s time.
So if anyone is saying the religions of the past will be corrupted it’s the Founders of those religions Themselves not the Baha’is. Krishna predicted religion would decline 5,000 years before Baha’is walked the earth. And Christ too.
The eventual degradation of all religions was predicted by the Founders and has nothing to do with Baha’is who are only echoing what Buddha, Krishna, Christ and Moses etc have said.
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
God is everything but also all the nothingness.
It certainly is not, never has been nor ever will be.
What in Hell's name is 'oneness'? OK, I'll try to answer:_
No! Science is 'Allness'.
You're having a laugh. Religion thinks it is elite, so how can it pretend to be all-one-together?
{QUOTE]Is oneness compatible with Humanity?[/QUOTE]
Of course it isn't!
Here's a tip for 'religion' to consider......... just try stripping mankind's individuality and separateness away and see what it does to your plans.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No it does not.
Civilisation will perish by Nature's chaos. It's just a matter of time.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yeah.......... Double-think much?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
I don't necessarily believe the religions were ever "pure". I think a lot of ideas about the Gods and the religions that developed around the Gods were made up by people. Ancient religions made people offer sacrifices to the Gods for everything. Even ancient Judaism was based on animal sacrifices. I don't know about you, but I don't think a real God would command such a thing. A wrathful God that needed to be appeased all the time, then certainly, that God would demand the people obey and offer him dead animals... and sometimes people too.
And the other thing, and this applies to the Baha'i Faith too, is the religious laws become something beyond human law. They become divine laws that must be obeyed. But they never are.
That is not quite correct CG. It is all about our given potential and choices and is the evidence of a Messenger of God.
They are the first to live those laws, a proof of their person.
Also many disciples are strong in the laws.
The greatest example in this age, to prove we can live to the laws is Abdul'baha. Abdul'baha was the embodiment of the Law.
It is up to us to find and develop that capacity.
Regards Tony