Oneness

[rational experiences]

The human mans messages reasoned.

Who invented science by all terms?

One man as a self lots of men selves brothers agreed.

Who gets taught he is wrong,?

Everything he harmed.

Who taught that origin human was very innocent and spiritual with God...not is God?

Men did.

Who sacrificed life on earth?

Men did.

Why?

Men chose God science.

Why then false preaches by origin leadership one self science status. Separated thinking?

A man does. Inherits causes.

Did man know and teach one of my inherited mind problems is self idolisation as family did not lead they nurtured?

Yes.

As mother father equal. Grand parents wise equal. Great grand parents wiser.

The older the wiser is grand and great as other humans only.

Human thinking back in time by human heritage my life is conceived by greatness?

Yes. Parents human.

Does a human grow create their conscious self?

Yes.

Does science grow create?

No. It grows huge giant reactions that destroys only by age. Concept adding on.

We grow biologically by age. We then deplete by age.

Science lies to its conscious self human.

Why do we age die when atoms exist first?

As they belonged to sun mass that consumes.

So atoms transmitting from a sun cause ..causes us to age as a reaction adds then we die as we aren't any giant reaction? Consuming mass.

Earth is disintegrating by heat slowly itself first. The God body aging.

Was the teaching no man is any God form.

 

[rational experiences]

The human mans messages reasoned.

Who invented science by all terms?

One man as a self lots of men selves brothers agreed.

Who gets taught he is wrong,?

Everything he harmed.

Who taught that origin human was very innocent and spiritual with God...not is God? Man's origin spiritual first.

Men did.

Who sacrificed life on earth?

Men did.

Why?

Men chose God science.

Why then false preache by origin leadership as one self science status. Separated thinking?

A man does. Inherits the causes.

Did man know and teach one of my inherited mind problems is self idolisation as family did not lead they nurtured?

Yes.

As mother father equal. Grand parents wise equal. Great grand parents wiser.

The older the wiser is grand and great as other humans only.

Human thinking back in time by human heritage my life is conceived by greatness?

Yes. Parents human.

Does a human grow create their conscious self?

Yes.

Does science grow create?

No. It grows huge giant reactions that destroys only by age. Concept adding on.

We grow biologically by age. We then deplete by age.

Science lies to its conscious self human.

Why do we age die when atoms exist first?

As they belonged to sun mass that consumes.

So atoms transmitting from a sun cause ..causes us to age as a reaction adds then we die as we aren't any giant reaction? Consuming mass.

Earth is disintegrating by heat slowly itself first. The God body aging.

Was the teaching no man is any God form.

The theme importance of a breakdown secret term.

On forum.

You female mind conscious body attacked mentally broke down.

New machine did not react in that moment.

I blame you human evil.bit CH as maths nothing womb....as space womb irradiating. The end is what he wants for contacting collider thesis amount of radiation present.

By his own causes known. Fully Aware told why.

Collider do you own spaces mass radiating first?

No.

Why?

My machine would blow up we would all burn to death.

Was the radiation mass there first?

No.

Hot gases were out of an earth radiating mass volcano. Lies.

What kills life in heavens?

First. Hot gases falling burning.

When you theoried collider did earth by your aware mind thesis own more cold mass?

Yes.

Dusts removal my wisdom science as higher amount gained radiating mass by machine only the string thesis hadn't removed it yet. As the scientist by science all terms himself.

Science only on earth.

Did you know in the future mass removed would equal collider function of overheat?

No.

Why?

Cold dusts had not yet changed the mass equalling science of man's wisdom.by living placed consciousness. The future predicted event itself.

So science knew nuclear dust converting future by science machine would amass the radiation for his next machine?

Yes.

Calculated by machine science wisdom only.

What happened?

First machine overheats as atmospheric reaction water was taken off ground men forced it.

As new machine says it uses our life ground water in natural heavens itself.

Power plant manually uses water to cool and is not natural.

Already was taught that lesson when pyramid casement water cooled by the pump system blew off.

What the inside tunnels pump system was used for. Water flowed over pyramid was recycled back. Tunnel windows would open pouring out water. In pyramid body.

Claim I am copying heavens rain cooling causes. Yet wasn't.

That amount of mass by volume water is not lived within biologically by heavens biological pressure. We would drown if that water mass existed surrounding us in nature.

Why the pyramids caused ground flooding.

Taught already. Known already.

Machines weren't transmitting electricity.

Radio waves cooled using water oxygen already. In our heavens.

Told to the mind of science. Is not rational. As it is not using life's water it is abusing life's water.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The key to this subject is that Oneness does not mean sameness. It is really just identifying that we are the human species which shared a common evolution, which is also part of the entire structure of creation that we are born into. The atoms move between the mineral, vegetable, animal and human conditions.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

The key to this subject is that Oneness does not mean sameness. It is really just identifying that we are the human species which shared a common evolution, which is also part of the entire structure of creation that we are born into. The atoms move between the mineral, vegetable, animal and human conditions.

Regards Tony

Even if you call it "getting-alongness" there is going to be people that aren't going get along. There's lots of people that get along with each other. But their behaviors, like taking drugs and drinking and causing trouble, don't work when they are around "normal" people. And with all the Baha'i laws, even in an almost perfect world, there's going to be those that live to break the laws and do all the things they're not supposed to. So, oneness won't include those people will it?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Even if you call it "getting-alongness" there is going to be people that aren't going get along. There's lots of people that get along with each other. But their behaviors, like taking drugs and drinking and causing trouble, don't work when they are around "normal" people. And with all the Baha'i laws, even in an almost perfect world, there's going to be those that live to break the laws and do all the things they're not supposed to. So, oneness won't include those people will it?

Oneness is all inclusive CG.

Once we embrace it, our capacities also change, which reflects great change in the direction of the human race.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don't necessarily believe the religions were ever "pure". I think a lot of ideas about the Gods and the religions that developed around the Gods were made up by people. Ancient religions made people offer sacrifices to the Gods for everything. Even ancient Judaism was based on animal sacrifices. I don't know about you, but I don't think a real God would command such a thing. A wrathful God that needed to be appeased all the time, then certainly, that God would demand the people obey and offer him dead animals... and sometimes people too.

And the other thing, and this applies to the Baha'i Faith too, is the religious laws become something beyond human law. They become divine laws that must be obeyed. But they never are.

People have never been perfect nor ever will be so that is the reason people drift away from the original teachings, then God sends another Messenger to renew the original teachings and bring new ones according to humanity’s progress.

Apart from the scriptures, people always weaved various mythologies about the greatness of their religion. It is a natural tendency of man to exalt that which he likes or loves.

As far as animal sacrifices I think it was proof of devotion in that time that was the main aim not that God needs anything as He is complete. Sometimes a test of our loyalty may involve sacrificing something and by doing so we spiritually grow. To give and be generous are praiseworthy attributes so by sacrificing we develop virtues. It hasn’t really changed except for the currency. Before it was animals, today it’s possessions or money.

Contributions to this fund constitute, in addition, a practical and effective way whereby every believer can test the measure and character of his faith, and prove in deeds the intensity of his devotion and attachment to the Cause. (Shoghi Effendi)

I really enjoyed researching this topic so thanks for popping the question.

Baha’u’llah says we will not be tested beyond our capacity. So we won’t be given laws beyond our humanity. The Manifestation seeks to raise us out of our mediocrity but within the limits of our human potential not beyond.

 

[CG Didymus]

Oneness is all inclusive CG.

Once we embrace it, our capacities also change, which reflects great change in the direction of the human race.

Yes... in theory. But right here on the forum, in threads like this, people are divided. How do you bring them together? What is the common ground? The "oneness" that we all shall? And, of course, that's that we are all human. Once you add to that, you'll get some division.

And if that one thing is religion, we have several religions that think they are the one correct one. We have Baha'is that word it a little differently. They all used to be correct until people messed them up, and now ours, the Baha'i Faith, has the new corrected message. We can't have oneness if religions are included. We have to be "one" at an even more basic level.

Then we have the Atheists. Once you mention God or that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God, you've already lost them. So, how do you create a oneness, a world with peace and unity between all people where most all beliefs are accepted? More like there are many paths, but they're all going to the same place? Because even Baha'i make it sound that the only true path to peace and unity is through the teachings of Baha'u'llah.

People have never been perfect nor ever will be so that is the reason people drift away from the original teachings, then God sends another Messenger to renew the original teachings and bring new ones according to humanity’s progress.

Or, religions are a work in progress. There's a basic belief, and then someone adds something to it. Then someone else does something different.

Even with the Bible, it took a long time before it got to be the book it is today. It can believed literally or figuratively. And with most Holy Books, believing them too literally and too conservatively has its problems. However, that is the closest to following the teachings as they were originally given. Who drifted away from that? People that saw that some things in the Holy Book shouldn't be taken so literally. They did the world a favor in my opinion.

And I have a problem with "progressive" revelation. I don't believe it. You can't easily make Hinduism and Buddhism and all the other religions from India fit into the Baha'i idea of a progression. They are too different than the Abrahamic religions. The main ones are that Krishna is not the founder of Hinduism. He isn't believed by all Hindus. There were several avatars before Krishna that never get mentioned or included in the list of "manifestations". Almost as if they are mythical. And I think they probably are. But then that is part of their beliefs. Did they add that in? Then with Buddha. There is no need for a belief in an Abrahamic type of God.

Say most all religions are similar and have similar goals... to get people to be better people and to get them to live by a certain set laws and moral codes, then yes... I can see that.

So we won’t be given laws beyond our humanity.

Laws about sexual morality have always been beyond the capacity of most people. And we all know that Baha'u'llah says that God does not want anyone to have sex before marriage. And then, only with the one that they are married to. And that having sex with people of the same gender is forbidden. That law is beyond the capacity of a lot of people.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes... in theory. But right here on the forum, in threads like this, people are divided. How do you bring them together? What is the common ground? The "oneness" that we all shall? And, of course, that's that we are all human. Once you add to that, you'll get some division.

And if that one thing is religion, we have several religions that think they are the one correct one. We have Baha'is that word it a little differently. They all used to be correct until people messed them up, and now ours, the Baha'i Faith, has the new corrected message. We can't have oneness if religions are included. We have to be "one" at an even more basic level.

Then we have the Atheists. Once you mention God or that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God, you've already lost them. So, how do you create a oneness, a world with peace and unity between all people where most all beliefs are accepted? More like there are many paths, but they're all going to the same place? Because even Baha'i make it sound that the only true path to peace and unity is through the teachings of Baha'u'llah.

I see the oneness is already created CG. All a Baha'i has to do is implement it in their lives and offer it to others. That capacity is within every one of us, we share that capacity, we also share the choice not to pursue that capacity.

God plan works with the choices we make, as God knows what each of us will choose. So unity in diversity, embracing our oneness, will happen and will happen as per God's Will and not yours or my will. This is the most important part of faith, knowing that accepting a Mesenger, is also accepting all the test that come with that choice and that God's time is not our time.

"Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come..."

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes... in theory. But right here on the forum, in threads like this, people are divided. How do you bring them together? What is the common ground? The "oneness" that we all shall? And, of course, that's that we are all human. Once you add to that, you'll get some division.

And if that one thing is religion, we have several religions that think they are the one correct one. We have Baha'is that word it a little differently. They all used to be correct until people messed them up, and now ours, the Baha'i Faith, has the new corrected message. We can't have oneness if religions are included. We have to be "one" at an even more basic level.

Then we have the Atheists. Once you mention God or that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God, you've already lost them. So, how do you create a oneness, a world with peace and unity between all people where most all beliefs are accepted? More like there are many paths, but they're all going to the same place? Because even Baha'i make it sound that the only true path to peace and unity is through the teachings of Baha'u'llah.

Or, religions are a work in progress. There's a basic belief, and then someone adds something to it. Then someone else does something different.

Even with the Bible, it took a long time before it got to be the book it is today. It can believed literally or figuratively. And with most Holy Books, believing them too literally and too conservatively has its problems. However, that is the closest to following the teachings as they were originally given. Who drifted away from that? People that saw that some things in the Holy Book shouldn't be taken so literally. They did the world a favor in my opinion.

And I have a problem with "progressive" revelation. I don't believe it. You can't easily make Hinduism and Buddhism and all the other religions from India fit into the Baha'i idea of a progression. They are too different than the Abrahamic religions. The main ones are that Krishna is not the founder of Hinduism. He isn't believed by all Hindus. There were several avatars before Krishna that never get mentioned or included in the list of "manifestations". Almost as if they are mythical. And I think they probably are. But then that is part of their beliefs. Did they add that in? Then with Buddha. There is no need for a belief in an Abrahamic type of God.

Say most all religions are similar and have similar goals... to get people to be better people and to get them to live by a certain set laws and moral codes, then yes... I can see that.

Laws about sexual morality have always been beyond the capacity of most people. And we all know that Baha'u'llah says that God does not want anyone to have sex before marriage. And then, only with the one that they are married to. And that having sex with people of the same gender is forbidden. That law is beyond the capacity of a lot of people.

The only main difference between religions are the social laws. The spiritual teachings are in harmony. Virtues are common to every religion and that has not changed. So there is no real conflict I don’t believe as all religions are helping us reach a higher and better version of ourselves.

And this is of great benefit to society as virtuous people won’t go to war or become dictators or terrorists. But as people tend to drift away from spiritual ideals because are imperfect, religion needs to be renewed from time to time.

As to Buddha we believe He did teach the oneness of God but these teachings have been lost.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Even if you call it "getting-alongness" there is going to be people that aren't going get along. There's lots of people that get along with each other. But their behaviors, like taking drugs and drinking and causing trouble, don't work when they are around "normal" people. And with all the Baha'i laws, even in an almost perfect world, there's going to be those that live to break the laws and do all the things they're not supposed to. So, oneness won't include those people will it?

I just came upon this quote, I thought it applicable to how it unfolds.

“Mysteriously, slowly, and resistlessly God accomplishes His design, though the sight that meets our eyes in this day be the spectacle of a world hopelessly entangled in its own meshes, utterly careless of the Voice which, for a century, has been calling it to God, and miserably subservient to the siren voices which are attempting to lure it into the vast abyss.”— Shoghi Effendi (The Promised Day is Come)

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I have attempted to reconcile across faiths with you many times, that the same concepts are shared in different frames of references.

Please consider you can offer your concept of oneness so we could discuss,

Vinayaka, "Not that you ever asked what I thought." "Please read some before making comments that are in error." Tony, "I have attempted to reconcile across faiths with you many times" Which statements are true?

"Oneness" of beliefs is not true. People believe all sorts of different things. Baha'is acknowledge a few people as being manifestations and tie them to particular reliigons, but then say that the "original" teachings of those manifestations have been changed or lost... leaving only the Baha'i Faith as having the truth.

Your oneness isn't my oneness. Oneness my way isn't oneness at all. In Hinduism the oneness, is an all pervasive one reality called Brahman. It has nothing to do with humanity, but a lot to do with underlying essence of all that exists. Not that you ever asked what I thought. That's never part of these discussions. But I do offer it up this once, just so on some rare chance you might see some hint of difference in how we think so differently.

Moksha isn't a state. Please read some before making comments that are in error.

I agree there are some similarities. But ignoring major differences, sweeping them under the rug, speaking in vague idealistic platitudes may be fun, but it's unrealistic and not useful.

I don't believe in manifestations, messengers, or avatars. You do.

Thus the concept of One God as the pervasive, infinite, eternal truth, consciousness and bliss, which does not change, yet is the cause of all changes is I see a fundamental truth.

Baha'u'llah as a messenger from God and that the Baha'i concept God is real is one of the biggest causes of division and debate here on the forum. It is not compatible with the beliefs of other people in other religions.

If there is one truth. If there is one God, then there should be only one religion. But that's not what we see. And again, Baha'is explain it in a way to make the beliefs in those other religions wrong. Which means... the one truth is what the Baha'i Faith says. And people should and will, eventually, unite under one God and one religion. But, right now, what kind of oneness can we have? A oneness that accepts all people and all their beliefs as equally valid, even though they contradict each other. Different paths are okay, for now. If some hit dead ends, that can be dealt with later. To tell people right now, that their religion is false, isn't going to bring people together but push them apart.

Tony, i have known of your posts for 4 or 5 years,. I don't think i have ever seen you create a thread that was not in some way tied in to Baha'i. And i see this as no different.

And Tony, what is wrong with admitting that? You think you have the truth is needed to heal the world and unite all people, then push it. Tell the world. But don't try and pretend that you're not. It is obvious that you and all Baha'is belief that you do have the truth.

I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. And just randomly picked a few pages and read a few posts. These stood out to me. Too bad the thread is kind of fading away now.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If there is one truth. If there is one God, then there should be only one religion. But that's not what we see.

That's not what you see.
I see that there is only One who created and maintains the universe.

I also see that mankind is corrupt, and make up versions of G-d that they desire.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And Tony, what is wrong with admitting that? You think you have the truth is needed to heal the world and unite all people, then push it. Tell the world. But don't try and pretend that you're not. It is obvious that you

I said in my reply that I do not see any issue that would not tie back into the Baha'i Faith.

That is because Baha'u'llah offered the solutions for the age we live in, all topics are covered by that Revelation.

That may be irritating to many people, I know for Persia and Islam it was, and they thought murder and banishment would rid them of that predicament, wheras it is really a source of amazement that they could not stop from unravelling.

I have 23 + warnings CG, instigated by those who are irritated by the answers and some by my reactions to those people, so how do you suggest I push it?

It may be many on RF will be happy to see it all go away.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I said in my reply that I do not see any issue that would not tie back into the Baha'i Faith.

That is because Baha'u'llah offered the solutions for the age we live in, all topics are covered by that Revelation.

That may be irritating to many people, I know for Persia and Islam it was, and they thought murder and banishment would rid them of that predicament, wheras it is really a source of amazement that they could not stop from unravelling.

I have 23 + warnings CG, instigated by those who are irritated by the answers and some by my reactions to those people, so how do you suggest I push it?

It may be many on RF will be happy to see it all go away.

Regards Tony

But I said not to pretend that you're not pushing it. But I don't think you should be pushing things like God is real and the Baha'u'llah is his latest messenger. Those threads go nowhere and only divide people. With this thread why does "oneness" have to have anything to do about any one religion? If the important thing is for us all to learn to get along and respect each other, no matter what we believe, then religious beliefs become secondary.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If the important thing is for us all to learn to get along and respect each other, no matter what we believe, then religious beliefs become secondary.

Correct in some aspects. This is what Abdul'baha offered, that we must learn to get along with each other, put our differences aside and practice the core virtues.

I would offer that makes belief 100% applicable, because I do not know of any religious beliefs, given by God, that does not teach that we need to work together.

Faith in deeds needs to be our priority, not words, which as you have offered, do not always go down well.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

But I said not to pretend that you're not pushing it. But I don't think you should be pushing things like God is real and the Baha'u'llah is his latest messenger. Those threads go nowhere and only divide people. With this thread why does "oneness" have to have anything to do about any one religion? If the important thing is for us all to learn to get along and respect each other, no matter what we believe, then religious beliefs become secondary.

It's really just a fine example of how words and actions don't mix. In an attempt to unify, you divide. It reminds me somehow of the braggart trying to impress, thereby impressing nobody.

Still, over this long period or discussion with Baha'i, I have seen some positive changes. One simple example is that in the old days, every single post included a Baha'i quote. Now several Baha'is can speak on their own, or at least have caught up with the idea that the rest of us found that really annoying. That's a good sign.

 

[CG Didymus]

It's really just a fine example of how words and actions don't mix. In an attempt to unify, you divide. It reminds me somehow of the braggart trying to impress, thereby impressing nobody.

Still, over this long period or discussion with Baha'i, I have seen some positive changes. One simple example is that in the old days, every single post included a Baha'i quote. Now several Baha'is can speak on their own, or at least have caught up with the idea that the rest of us found that really annoying. That's a good sign.

Yeah, we can all tell when someone has at least a little respect for what other people believe, and when they are listening for a key word that they can steer the conversation to be about how much better their beliefs are. JW's are very good at this. And, I think, some Baha'is are good at that too.

In the Baha'i Faith it's called being a good teacher. They can take you down a path and show you all the wonderful things all around you. After a couple of miles, they smile and ask, "Doesn't this path look like the right way to go? The world needs to come together. Wars must end. All the other religions told of this day, and now, at long last it's here. The day when God's kingdom on Earth is going to finally be established."

I've been talked to like that by several different Chrisitan groups and a couple of used car salesmen. What is sad that Baha'is think that they are respecting and understanding people that have different beliefs. That's why I think Baha'is have to get even more simple and basic. We are all people. How can we work and live together? But I don't think they can, because "recognizing" the "day-spring" of that most "effulgent" greatness... and a whole bunch of other words, that's essentially saying, "Hey, our guy is the guy. Anyone with half a brain should realize that and listen to him." Anyway, to me, that's what it sounds like.

 

[CG Didymus]

That's not what you see.
I see that there is only One who created and maintains the universe.

I also see that mankind is corrupt, and make up versions of G-d that they desire.

Okay, how do you define that One God? And do you agree with the God that Christians, Baha'is and others believe in? Or are they a little off on their understanding of who God is?

And is having different concepts of God or not even believing in a God a barrier to this "oneness" thing that the Baha'is believe to be necessary for people to advance to the next level?

I think oneness of humanity and living in peace and harmony would be great. But I think religious people might be as big a barrier to it as anybody... even the Baha'is themselves... if Baha'is put believing in God and their prophet as being necessary for us to get to that place of oneness.

Other religions, like Christianity, I don't think care about oneness of all people. Many of them believe that Jesus will return and destroy all evil, non-believing people. So, all that will be left is Christians. What are you expecting in the end times, and do you believe we are in the end times? And, since you aren't a Baha'i, then who were Baha'u'llah and The Bab? How do they fit into Islamic end time beliefs?

 

[muhammad_isa]

What are you expecting in the end times, and do you believe we are in the end times?

I believe that it is close to the time when Jesus, son of Mary, will return.

And, since you aren't a Baha'i, then who were Baha'u'llah and The Bab? How do they fit into Islamic end time beliefs?

They don't. I don't believe in Shia philosophy and its branches

NB. Did you know, that there is a space for the grave of Jesus, son of Mary, in the prophet Muhammad's Masjid in Medina?
The space has not yet been filled.
The majority of Muslims do not believe that Jesus has returned as yet.

 

[CG Didymus]

I believe that it is close to the time when Jesus, son of Mary, will return.


They don't. I don't believe in Shia philosophy and its branches

NB. Did you know, that there is a space for the grave of Jesus, son of Mary, in the prophet Muhammad's Masjid in Medina?
The space has not yet been filled.
The majority of Muslims do not believe that Jesus has returned as yet.

What attracted me initially to the Baha'i Faith that it, supposedly, put aside all prejudices of race and religion in favor of this "oneness". Not knowing any better, I had no problem with their claims of being the promised return of Christ, in spirit, not in the literal Jesus. They talked about the Mahdi and other things prophesied in Islam, but I didn't know anything about Islam, so I took their word for it.

Now I don't trust what any religious person says about their beliefs about God and his prophets. But who are Baha'u'llah and the Bab if they aren't who they claim to be? Christianity can easily write them off as false, but they do that to Muhammad also. I'd be fine with the Baha'is turning out to be the truth, except then I really don't trust a world under the rule of one religion that claims its laws are from God. But I wouldn't want to live by the laws of any religion, because part of the mistrust I feel, is about the laws really being from God.

So, the only "oneness" I'd like to see would include all people in most all religions being able to live and worship freely. But I do believe that some religious beliefs become dangerous when taken to extremes. And I think extremism can happen and does happen in most all religions. Anyway, thanks for your post.