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Online petition to have Subramanian Swamy and Rajiv Malhotra at Oxford

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Please, explain this in your own terms. A university should always welcome opposing viewpoints, and I want to see this from more than the second-hand sources I assume to not be accurate reresentations of the whole.
If you could, explain this, please. I suppose it may be like the "Republicans say" thread without any background.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Subramaniam Swamy is Hindu but he cannot represents all Hinduism. Then again what he says will be colored by his political and personal interests. I will not want to give the authority to Swamy to represent Hindu views, that is why I am not signing. We might see Swamy at Oxford in spite of my not signing a petition, but I see no reason why should I sign? I will whole heartedly give this authority to Swami Avadheshananda.

"Sri Avdheshananda Giri Maharaj, Acharya Mahamandaleshwar of the biggest Hindu Order of ascetics, the Juna Akhara, is a guru to thousands and an inspiration to millions. Swami Avdheshanand has initiated more than a hundred thousand sannyasins, transformed lives with his social activities, and leads the Juna Akhara into the 21st century."

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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Aup, you simply do not understand. Swamy is not representing Hinduism at some conference, like you seem to think. So let me try this again. Please have a couple of chais before you read this, so you will have a better chance of understanding.

There is a Hindu studies department at Oxford. They invite guest speakers from other Hindu departments, or Hindus from all over to come and give lectures to their students on a wide variety of things Hindu. This has been going on since the department was established. Over the years they've probably invited hundreds of different Hindus, from all sects, political stripes, social activists, and more. These are just two more, the latest in a long list. There would have been great variety, representing almost every conceivable idea in Hinduism

All universities do this. It's part of what they do. Retired politicians, self-help people, and more go on speaker's tour, and generally get paid handsomely to do this. At some independent conferences, there may be up to 200 invited speakers, it's thing people do. I'm sure Sris Malhotra and Swamy have already spoken at dozens of such events, within universities, or otherwise.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Had tea just now. My wife does not allow me a second cup. If Oxford invites Swamy, well and good (as they have done in the earlier years with other people). I am not impressed with Swamy that much to want expressly him to speak at Oxford. I see they have a digital Shikshapatri, that is not Hindu for me. I wish them well.

Swamy did not teach at Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi for decades but wants his salary for 19 years. 40 years later, Swamy hopes to beat IIT Delhi with HRD help : India, News - India Today
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Yes, even the very anti-Hindu Doniger has spoken to the department there. I suppose some people might think that she 'represents' Hinduism. All in the name of freedom of speech.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
So the anti-Hindu. anti free speech petition was successful. Apparently we're a dangerous subversive bunch prepared to overtake Britain and the west by the storms of ahimsa.

NCHT UK
 

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
So the anti-Hindu. anti free speech petition was successful. Apparently we're a dangerous subversive bunch prepared to overtake Britain and the west by the storms of ahimsa.

NCHT UK

I am vary disappointed, but not surprised at all.

Once these two (Rajiv/Swami) are no more, i fear the future for Hindus world wide and in India.

OHM TAHT SATH
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The nature of this bar is being misrepresented here, in my opinion. I signed to ALLOW Swamy and Malhotra to speak, but those who wanted them banned are no surprise at all.

Those petitioning against them were leftists - the very petition to bar them had the words that Swamy and Malhotra “ought to be questioned and presented as they are - as bigots with extremist views".

In other words, the same thing the left and the socialists accuse me of all the time, "racist bigot" when I do not meekly agree with them.

The left-wing magazine "The Nation" brought up Malhotra as an example of "the Taliban in India", and the typical "hate speech" argument against them peppers the left insistence on disallowing anyone to guest speak on campus - this happens regularly in the US now where the campus is becoming a Politburo.

The petition to ban these two is not the language of Western colonialists or religious exclusiveness a of non-Hindu religion such as Christians, it is the language of the left-wing and socialists found in the academia and among left-wing professors about how these two are "known for patently fanatic blogs" and "hate speech" against all scholars who stand up to the "social hierarchies and discriminations in India" that the left claims Malhotra and Swamy support.

This isn't about imperialists in Oxford nor Christians, it is about the left wing doing what they do regularly on campuses in the US - ban and bar and silence the free speech of anyone who is not a socialist. So that means banning Hindus - a sad day - because the left wing considers the BJP and Hindus such as these two as extremists no better than the Taliban which they give excuses for but no excuse for Hindus.

This is another victory against speech by the left that is now common where ever they wield the power to project their totalitarian mindset. Why is this surprising?
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
I am vary disappointed, but not surprised at all.

Once these two (Rajiv/Swami) are no more, i fear the future for Hindus world wide and in India.

OHM TAHT SATH
If Oxford does not wish to invite any particular speaker on grounds that they may be presenting extremist sectarian views rather than scholarly lectures on Hinduism, it need to say so explicitly and publicly so that these can be challenged if appropriate by Rajiv Malhotra and Subramanian Swami.

As far as the future of Hinduism is concerned, we need to first establish the facts about it and publish these with comparative analysis of other forms of living, then submit them for critical reviews if we are going to convince people of the strengths and logic of our way of living as it relates to reality. Do we need to improve ourselves in any way, or is our religious system the most 'just' that can be achieved?
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
No this is the left instigating this, and a long list of other, bans and discriminations against others in academia, it has been going on for a long time now. It is not Macaulayism, it is left wing ideologues doing this. Swamy and Mahotra are considered right-wing extremists supporting the BJP, they are considered Hindu conservatives by the left guilty of hate crimes.

Zakir Naik or for that matter former Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be welcome because there is in fact a dialog between the left in academia and Islamic movements, that is why the left is always emphasizing "Islamophobia" over terrorist threat, they also accuse Hindu conservatives of "Islamophobia" in the classroom setting and hate Modi and the RSS and the BJP and Hindus such as these two.

Doniger would be invited because she is a left winger.

Sure, once in a while the left wing will invite someone like Condoleezza Rice to pretend fairness only to order their students to stage a protest in the middle of the dialog, speech or conference.

I know some on the left embarrassed by their own antics want to turn this into "colonialism" in proxy by Oxford, the only colonialism going on here is leftist and socialist colonialism.
 

Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
Hey ShivaFan, would you say the Naxalites and their ilk are more dangerous to India then the Wahhabist terrorists?

How much of Indian Atheism is tied up with Communism?
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Dear Devotee of Kali, Kalibhakta (Jai Mother!)

Islamic extremists want to literally exterminate Hindus such as me and my family - not only in India but anywhere they can. Jews, Americans and Hindus are their top three targets, then Christians. As a Hindu and an American I "qualify" for two out of the top three.

India has faced many assaults over time. Many have their eyes on India, it is not called the "Ruby" or "Star" for nothing. Many over the world, including some in invaders who actually have a secret love for the Great Mother in their heart despite being invaders.

Islam invaded India with the major assaults starting in the 1200s AD, over time they tore down many, many temples and built mosqtes on top of the holy sites in hopes of destroying the infidel while at the same time hoping the villagers would continue to come to the holy site but now enter a mosque and convert to Islam. Buddhism had lost much power by that time, those who were frustrated by caste or held as outcastes who turned to Buddhism in some cases in the past actually did convert to Islam.

Islamic Extremists today, in my observation have little to do with conquering Muslims of the past. They are political and I can go on a long, detailed analysis and explanation but have shared some basic things regarding that but let us save that lecture for another time. The terrorists of today, while they speak of the Khalifat of the past, really and truly are a modern movement as were the Nazis modern, a child of the ending chapters of the 19th and into the 20th Century, monsters that shame Islam of the past - despite what Islam, or for that matter Christians and also Hindus themselves have done in the past the state of affairs all over the "civilized" world (Europe, India, Islamic realms) were SOP at that time, ripe with murder and war and invasion as the way it was. No one is not guilty.

Yet that guilt is nothing compared to these modern terrorists and what they will do because of what they are. The greatest killing fields have all happened in the modern era into enormous numbers of millions, the communisrs and socialists and national socialist exceeded anything that Islam of the middle ages is blamed for, yet I assure you these modern Islamic Cult-like terrorists will exceed in mass murder even the communists if they find the way.

In West Bengal I came to know the CPI(M) very well. Frankly, I do not hate them nor did I hate Basu, even there can be a little fondness there. But yes I am an anti-Communist, not very happy with the Bharat ki Kamyunist Party Marksvadi.

In the Naxalbari uprising, CHINESE element instigated a break from the Marxists and then went into the country side areas (much like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia) to grab children in those areas of India that could be potential break away republics from Mother, with distinct regional language and low subsistence which they like the KR and Kony would turn children into gureillas and this was as much a part of Chinese hegemony as Maoist tyranny. My wife experienced the Naxalites in Assam. They are proxies for China, and yes Chinese communists have designs on India but there are greater risks to Mother than communists.

Those of the ISIS ilk will come to India if and when they can. They will be defeated, it will be a long, long ugly thing of a "war". You yourself are not immune whether you know or not.

But if they get into India you have no idea the blood baths. Firstly they will mass murder every Hindu they can. But also, as I know Hindu-Muslim riots very well, the Hindus will and can fill the alleys with the blood of these monsters. It will not be pretty, let me just say that.

And if it comes to that, I will join in the fight.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Once these two (Rajiv/Swami) are no more, i fear the future for Hindus world wide and in India.
The cancellation was hilarious in the light of Dr. Zakir Naik speaking there at one time. Speaks a lot about Oxford. But don't worry, Hinduism will survive even if there are no Subramaniam Swamis and Rajiv Malhotras. :smug:

As Modi will say, "Ambe māt ki jai". I do not know if he keeps fast only for the winter Navaratri (eight days no food only "nimbu-pani") or the spring one also. (Or more correctly in Gujarati "Ambe māt ni jai").
 
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Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
Truly letting Pakistan break off was the worst thing to happen to India. I doubt it would have been this ugly if it happened like this.

To stop the risk of this derailing any more then I made it... would it be crazy for India to court Iran? Iran is not a democratic state, but India and Iran have common foes and I don't think they want "in" India.

I don't think America can be India's friend until we stop feeding the the ISI.

Just things that I have been dwelling on.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
India is one of the few countries where Shias are happy and face no persecution or discrimination. The world should give credit to India and Hindus. Iran is a friend, it goes deeper than politics or religion.
 

Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
I admire the Shia. They and the Sikhs have more then a superficial brotherhood. It is a shame that we chose Saudi Arabia over Iran.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I admire the Shia. They and the Sikhs have more then a superficial brotherhood. It is a shame that we chose Saudi Arabia over Iran.
I do not know about the special relationship between Shias and Sikhs. I do not know what West should have chosen between Saudi Arabia and Iran, but in our case the close relations go back to thousands of years.
 

Poeticus

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"Acknowledging that the event “faced strong opposition from Indian students and few faculty members of the university,” Anjul Khadria, president of the OIS told The Hindu that the Oxford University Students’ Union Black and Minority Ethnic Wing also requested OIS to reconsider the event." source

In other words, Indian students with an identity crisis and academics that have a penchant for subverting Dharma ensured the ban would go through. You know what reason they offered? Check this out:

The opposition to hosting Mr. Swamy and Mr. Malhotra was led by a group of Oxford-based students and faculty who in their online petition urged the OIS to reconsider holding the event given Mr. Swamy’s “vitriol against Muslims, and his demand for their disenfranchisement conditional upon acceptance of their ‘Hindu ancestry.’” Mr. Malhotra, “is known for his patently fanatic blogs”, and his new book targets scholars who have been critical of India’s caste system and other forms of social iniquity, the petition stated.

The petitioners argued that while persons with “morally repugnant views” have a right to express themselves, “we do not feel we have a duty to invite persons to air them at a platform which bears respect.” source
...and this comes from those that had no problem with Zakir Naik comin' thru? The idiosyncrasy that is the closing of the Oxfordian mind is truly something else, I'm afraid.
 
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