Online porn debate is it bad ?

[PureX]

The same can be said about sexual repression, tho? Shame, guilt, and pent up sexual tension are poisonous as well?

Perfection is never going to be achieved. But we can keep looking for it, and moving toward it.

In the meanwhile, we have to create laws to help us regulate our behavior toward each other (and sometimes even toward ourselves), as we are too often not able to do so, otherwise.

 

[Alien826]

Yes, but money itself is worthless and has no value outside of what we apply to it. It does not exist without the societal structures built to sustain it. If the US or any other country goes away, their "currency" is worthless, because there is nothing to back it.

Agreed, but within the 'social structures" it does have value. If you disagree, prove it by taking all your money out of the bank and sending it to me. Doesn't that apply to everything we value though? Its value is determined by what people are prepared to pay for it, or barter for it. If you were lost in the desert and dying from thirst, what would you prefer (pick one). A million dollars in cash, the Mona Lisa (original), or a bottle of water. Incidentally, back in town after your rescue, if you got the same offer I bet you'd pick the million dollars, as the Mona Lisa, though supposedly priceless, would be very difficult to sell as it was likely stolen.

 

[The Hammer]

Agreed, but within the 'social structures" it does have value. If you disagree, prove it by taking all your money out of the bank and sending it to me. Doesn't that apply to everything we value though? Its value is determined by what people are prepared to pay for it, or barter for it. If you were lost in the desert and dying from thirst, what would you prefer (pick one). A million dollars in cash, the Mona Lisa (original), or a bottle of water. Incidentally, back in town after your rescue, if you got the same offer I bet you'd pick the million dollars, as the Mona Lisa, though supposedly priceless, would be very difficult to sell as it was likely stolen.

I have none to send you anyways lmao. You want $39?

 

[The Hammer]

Agreed, but within the 'social structures" it does have value. If you disagree, prove it by taking all your money out of the bank and sending it to me. Doesn't that apply to everything we value though? Its value is determined by what people are prepared to pay for it, or barter for it. If you were lost in the desert and dying from thirst, what would you prefer (pick one). A million dollars in cash, the Mona Lisa (original), or a bottle of water. Incidentally, back in town after your rescue, if you got the same offer I bet you'd pick the million dollars, as the Mona Lisa, though supposedly priceless, would be very difficult to sell as it was likely stolen.

A lot of assumptions about what you "think" I'd do.

I'm not playing a game where someone puts words in my mouth.

 

[Alien826]

Fortunately, this is just a symptom of our current Culture and not an actual real thing..

Out of interest, what would an alternative culture that didn't use money be, and how would it manage the exchange of goods? Serious question, I have a few ideas myself, but I'm interested in yours.

 

[Alien826]

I have none to send you anyways lmao. You want $39?

Seems like you need it more than I do.

A lot of assumptions about what you "think" I'd do.

I'm not playing a game where someone puts words in my mouth.

No offense intended. The answers seemed obvious, that's all. Would you not pick the bottle of water? The other things would be useless to you.

However, as you don't like my way of putting it I'll drop the analogy and just say that value is determined by demand which is influenced by the situation. Do you disagree?

 

[Alien826]

Well I see what you are saying but I still disagree money is real it's real plastic and metal and paper. And I don't think money will ever stop existing.

I have not owned a bank note or coin for at least a year. I buy everything with credit cards. And my "money" is just entries in a bank account that I can look at and move around online if I need to. Even less "real", right? But it still has value, to me, to the bank and and to any merchant I deal with.

 

[Eddi]

In this day and age does porn still exist not on the Internet??????

 

[Alien826]

For some.

And for some it never existed at all. Like the Sentinilese.

I looked them up but couldn't find any reference to their using, or not using, any form of money. Do you have a link?

 

[The Hammer]

I looked them up but couldn't find any reference to their using, or not using, any form of money. Do you have a link?

They are a tribal island society with no external contact. They are hunter gatherers.

 

[Alien826]

They are a tribal island society with no external contact. They are hunter gatherers.

Yes, I got that but about their having or not having money?

 

[PureX]

Communal societies don't need money because everyone already "owns" everything significant for their collective survival.

The concept of money is an adjunct to the concept of individual ownership.

 

[The Hammer]

Communal societies don't need money because everyone already "owns" everything significant for their collective survival.

The concept of money is an adjunct to the concept of individual ownership.

Thank you. I've got too much of a headache to explain this in depth.

 

[Brickjectivity]

In this day and age does porn still exist not on the Internet??????

Both porn and violent images are everywhere. If you walk into a grocery store it is there. Most of us don't notice anymore. Its everywhere. When I was a child my mom made me cover my eyes in the chewing gum isle. Most people didn't do that.

What's in that aisle? Waxed up bathing beauties, bizarre rumors of all kinds, talk about cheating and backstabbing, war, weird fake images, etc. Its fascinating, curious and attractive.

It seems like since the 60's someone has been fighting to make sure my generation sees sex every where it looks, to change us. I think the reason for this has been forgotten, but maybe somebody still knows. My parents thought it was Satan actively pushing to corrupt the world. Another member here seems to think it was capitalism or greed. Me? I think it was some closeted college professors conspiring to make it happen.

Religious reasons aside: for some people too much imaginative-imagery-everywhere-all-the-time is a difficult thing. Some people have trouble controlling thoughts, because human minds are not single piece items. Some people find that they cannot seem to stop ruminating on sex or on violence or on both.

But that aint what the thread is hinging about. The thread is about whether porn is bad for normal, healthy people: aka strong minded and strong willed people. The science is still out on that. I think the stronger a person is the less it affects us. That makes sense to me.

 

[We Never Know]

I looked them up but couldn't find any reference to their using, or not using, any form of money. Do you have a link?

There are probably around 150 isolated tribes living in remote parts of the world that still use tools made from stone and/or bone.
I very much doubt money means anything to them. They more than likely barter and trade.

 

[Eddi]

There are probably around 150 isolated tribes living in remote parts of the world that still use tools made from stone and/or bone.
I very much doubt money means anything to them. They more than likely barter and trade.

As I understand it some of them don't even have the concept of property or possession

So very different is their way of thinking to ours

 

[McBell]

Online porn debate is it bad ?

I do not think/believe that debating porn is bad.
Online or otherwise.

 

[Alien826]

There are probably around 150 isolated tribes living in remote parts of the world that still use tools made from stone and/or bone.
I very much doubt money means anything to them. They more than likely barter and trade.

Most likely yes. That probably works in small primitive groups. But there's a good reason why bartering was replaced by some form of money. It works better. Can you imagine a modern Stock Exchange operating through bartering? Or buying stuff made on the other side of the world?

 

[Alien826]

Both porn and violent images are everywhere. If you walk into a grocery store it is there. Most of us don't notice anymore. Its everywhere. When I was a child my mom made me cover my eyes in the chewing gum isle. Most people didn't do that.

Leaving violence aside as that's not the subject of the thread, how do you define porn? If it's naked or partially clothed bodies, then I guess it is "everywhere", but seriously what's wrong with that? I'd call porn explicit representation of sexual activity. You don't see that in supermarkets, at least I don't.

We've come out of the "Victorian" age where people covered up the "legs" of tables in case someone was offended. Back when I grew up in the 1940s and 50s, and the sex education I received in school and at home was none, nothing, zero. Can't talk about that, it's "dirty". Slight correction, often inaccurate information was passed around in the playground. Do you really want to go back to that?

In my lifetime since then I've seen the depiction of sex become more and more permissive. Somehow though the old puritanism still lurks under the surface, as we see in this thread, with discussions of whether "porn" is harmful. Of course it is, after all sex is dirty, surely you see that, it all happens "down there" and that's a kind of not nice place. It's a natural physical activity folks! It can only be harmful if it involves things that actually do harm, and pretty much all of those things exist are not inherent to sexual activities but go on in lots of other activities.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The same can be said about sexual repression, tho? Shame, guilt, and pent up sexual tension are poisonous as well?

Yes.

Leaving violence aside as that's not the subject of the thread, how do you define porn? If it's naked or partially clothed bodies, then I guess it is "everywhere", but seriously what's wrong with that? I'd call porn explicit representation of sexual activity. You don't see that in supermarkets, at least I don't.

We've come out of the "Victorian" age where people covered up the "legs" of tables in case someone was offended. Back when I grew up in the 1940s and 50s, and the sex education I received in school and at home was none, nothing, zero. Can't talk about that, it's "dirty". Slight correction, often inaccurate information was passed around in the playground. Do you really want to go back to that?

In my lifetime since then I've seen the depiction of sex become more and more permissive. Somehow though the old puritanism still lurks under the surface, as we see in this thread, with discussions of whether "porn" is harmful. Of course it is, after all sex is dirty, surely you see that, it all happens "down there" and that's a kind of not nice place. It's a natural physical activity folks! It can only be harmful if it involves things that actually do harm, and pretty much all of those things exist are not inherent to sexual activities but go on in lots of other activities.

I do not wish to go to extremes which are harmful, but we are in a harmful extreme. Porn is available (and should be), but why is it shoved into our faces? Why can any 2 year old accidentally wind up looking at BDSM cartoons? Its because we go to extremes. One is the extreme you have rightly pointed out and the accompanying misunderstandings about human nature, and that extreme is not only a victorian phenomenon but one that occasionally happens around the world from time to time. Japan is another place it has occurred, and I remember hearing about it in one of the pre-Columbus South American countries. (details forgot sorry) We bounce between extremes. Staying in between should be the goal not sticking to one in order to avoid the other.