Only atheists

[interminable]

God is a construction of faith. If one needs to explain it with logic, they've not only lost that argument, but have also shown their lack of faith. It's like a fisherman trying to convince a hunter that the best way to catch a fish is with a bear trap.

It depends on circumstances that a person borns in and grows up
A person that has been told that evolution has done everything or u need to bring some material evidences for existence of God Needs logical arguments

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It depends on circumstances that a person borns in and grows up
A person that has been told that evolution has done everything or u need to bring some material evidences for existence of God Needs logical arguments

Good point. You can't expect somebody shielded from rationality to think rationally.

 

[interminable]

Good point. You can't expect somebody shielded from rationality to think rationally.

Yes but we try to make them familiar with or at least reject ours

I just wanted to show them they shouldn't think we blindly believe in God

There are some other logical arguments that are hard to translate

 

[LuisDantas]

Make an explanation to explain what difference between vicious circle and closed circle

A vicious circle is a dynamic process where repeated interactions give us in increasingly worse results.

A closed cycle (in the sense that I used the expression) is a purely abstract construct that does not necessarily correspond to anything that exists in reality.

is then reject my claim by logical arguments not by claiming it's not logical.

I already pointed out that your premises contradict each other. That will have to be enough for you.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Yes but we try to make them familiar with or at least reject ours

I just wanted to show them they shouldn't think we blindly believe in God

There are some other logical arguments that are hard to translate

In my experience, nobody, from their perspective, blindly believes in anything. That's why I always look at their arguments from an impartial view, only reviewing the substance of what they say.

At heart, I'm an eternal optimist, hoping to find some compelling evidence of magic or god, so I'm open to any and all evidence and arguments. Unfortunately, it tends to boil down to the same few tired, unsupportable arguments. Sadly/comically, most people presenting them don't even know that they have been thoroughly debunked debates, or centuries ago.

 

[interminable]

A vicious circle is a dynamic process where repeated interactions give us in increasingly worse results.

A closed cycle (in the sense that I used the expression) is a purely abstract construct that does not necessarily correspond to anything that exists in reality.


I already pointed out that your premises contradict each other. That will have to be enough for you.

U didn't answer # 177

 

[LuisDantas]

I did. Several times already.

I can't do anything about your refusal to accept it.

 

[interminable]

@YmirGF
@Iewisnotmiller
@columbus

Don't keep me waiting
Luis had nothing to say let's see what u r thinking about

 

[Koldo]

What a shame!

1. Everything that is created needs a cause
2. Everything that exist either is possible existent or necessary one

3. All of them can't be possible existents because of impossibility of infinite regress and vicious circle

4. So there Must be an existent that isn't possible and is necessary and isn't created by anything else

Till now I proved that necessary existent must exist even I didn't prove that it should be one or two or unlimited or....


Reject my claims using simple words

Regarding point #4:

Let's say that 'Existence itself is necessary'. How would you reply to that ?
Not the existence of everything, but rather the existence of something/anything.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What a shame!

1. Everything that is created needs a cause

How do you tell whether something was created?

 

[interminable]

Regarding point #4:

Let's say that 'Existence itself is necessary'. How would you reply to that ?
Not the existence of everything, but rather the existence of something/anything.

Shia philosophers have discussed this in a best way .
Yes u r true if u consider the existence itself god and consider us as shadows

They say the concept of existence is مشکک which means it has some degrees from poor and weak to intense like the light of sun and the light of candle

According to this view existence is necessary and is unlimited too because non existent doesn't exist at all so existence itself is eternal . There is no limitations in existence but this existence isn't material and we can discover that this existence can't be two or three since it's unlimited
And we can say that this existence will never die because existence can't turn to non existent because non existent doesn't exist and....

But for atheists that have problems with causality we can't use it

 

[Koldo]

Shia philosophers have discussed this in a best way .
Yes u r true if u consider the existence itself god and consider us as shadows

I don't consider 'the existence itself as god' though.

They say the concept of existence is مشکک which means it has some degrees from poor and weak to intense like the light of sun and the light of candle

According to this view existence is necessary and is unlimited too because non existent doesn't exist at all so existence itself is eternal . There is no limitations in existence but this existence isn't material and we can discover that this existence can't be two or three since it's unlimited
And we can say that this existence will never die because existence can't turn to non existent because non existent doesn't exist and....

But for atheists that have problems with causality we can't use it

What do you mean by 'problems with causality' ?

 

[interminable]

How do you tell whether something was created?

We imagine all things and discuss generally
We consider all possibilities and by rejecting some of them we prove the others
For example when we proved infinite regress is impossible we have no choice but to prove an existent that is out of chains of possible existents

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

What a shame!

1. Everything that is created needs a cause
2. Everything that exist either is possible existent or necessary one

3. All of them can't be possible existents because of impossibility of infinite regress and vicious circle

4. So there Must be an existent that isn't possible and is necessary and isn't created by anything else

Till now I proved that necessary existent must exist even I didn't prove that it should be one or two or unlimited or....


Reject my claims using simple words

Do you have anything beyond Islamic confirmation bias to support the claim that Allah must be the Uncaused Cause?

 

[Iti oj]

@YmirGF
@Iewisnotmiller
@columbus

Don't keep me waiting
Luis had nothing to say let's see what u r thinking about

I feel left out

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

We imagine all things and discuss generally
We consider all possibilities and by rejecting some of them we prove the others
For example when we proved infinite regress is impossible we have no choice but to prove an existent that is out of chains of possible existents

Except you haven't proven infinite regress is impossible; you've just shown that you've dismissed it because it's an inconvenient unmoving stumbling block to your claims. By your logic since I've considered & rejected monotheism that must mean polytheism is true.

 

[interminable]

I don't consider 'the existence itself as god' though.



What do you mean by 'problems with causality' ?

This existent is a creator of everything so is omniscient and omnipotent too because he is unlimited and has every perfections

Besides some atheists here don't accept causality and say it's unproven and u should bring evidence on that or it's metaphysics

 

[interminable]

Do you have anything beyond Islamic confirmation bias to support the claim that Allah must be the Uncaused Cause?

Did I say something about Allah or god in those arguments

First reject them and step by step I will prove other arguments

 

[Koldo]

This existent is a creator of everything so is omniscient and omnipotent too because he is unlimited and has every perfections

I don't see any reason to believe in any of that.

Besides some atheists here don't accept causality and say it's unproven and u should bring evidence on that or it's metaphysics

I am not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you talking about causality in the sense of the universe being created ?

 

[interminable]

I don't see any reason to believe in any of that.

It's simple but step by step

I am not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you talking about causality in the sense of the universe being created ?

Everything that is created needs a cause