Only One True Religion

[lunamoth]

Well thats interesting, the bible according to my knowledge does look like it supports one religion. I look at it this way. Christ set up his church exactly how he wanted it when he was on the earth, prophets, apostles, deacons, priest, all built upon the rock of christ. If christ is perfect then he set up a perfect church. If we stray from that, even just a little bit then the church is no longer perfect and no longer of christ. God said be ye therfore perfect in all things. I would think that he would set up one religion that has all of the exact standards of what he wanted. The church must be perfect to what christ set up.

Christ did not 'set up' His Church. Further, I'm certain that He knew just exactly how things would go, which is why He sent the Holy Spirit to guide us. It is messy, it is made up of fallible, imperfect people. The "Church" is indeed perfect, a good example fo the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

2 c,
lunamoth

 

[sojourner]

Well thats interesting, the bible according to my knowledge does look like it supports one religion. I look at it this way. Christ set up his church exactly how he wanted it when he was on the earth, prophets, apostles, deacons, priest, all built upon the rock of christ. If christ is perfect then he set up a perfect church. If we stray from that, even just a little bit then the church is no longer perfect and no longer of christ. God said be ye therfore perfect in all things. I would think that he would set up one religion that has all of the exact standards of what he wanted. The church must be perfect to what christ set up.

You'll have to provide Biblical references showing where, when and how Jesus ordained prophets, priests and deacons. You won't find it. The apostles ordained presbyters and deacons, and none of the them ordained prophets...according to the Bible. All laid out in another thread, so I won't detail here.

The Church is not perfect -- never was, because the Church is not the institution, but the people -- and people are imperfect. Yet, the Church is perfect, in the sense that it is the Body of Christ. The community of the Body is perfect -- the human institution and organization are not.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I would like to enage in a one on one debate on the subject: THE BIBLE SUPPORTS ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION TODAY. It is necessary that the one who chooses to engage in this discussion believe as I believe that the Bible is the only absolute standard for all religious discussions.

Prosecutor

So?

BTW, who would you like to "debate" this one-on-one?

 

[PHOTOTAKER]

You'll have to provide Biblical references showing where, when and how Jesus ordained prophets, priests and deacons. You won't find it. The apostles ordained presbyters and deacons, and none of the them ordained prophets...according to the Bible. All laid out in another thread, so I won't detail here.

The Church is not perfect -- never was, because the Church is not the institution, but the people -- and people are imperfect. Yet, the Church is perfect, in the sense that it is the Body of Christ. The community of the Body is perfect -- the human institution and organization are not.

the first prophet after Christ in the sixth dispensation is peter... the apostles holds all the keys that Christ had held and still holds... they never ordained other apostles; since they never had a chance too. a prophet has the power to bind on earth as in heaven and lose on earth as well as in heaven. the last prophet is john the revelator binding prophecy to this earth tell new prophets are chosen by god. after the second died he wrote revelation... so there was prophets in the new testament other than Jesus Christ they never took the title and didn't need to because they where prophet revelators and seers when they where ordained... they took the keys of the priesthood to there graves. “And thus the world went into darkness...”

 

[jewscout]

God Send Moses And Jesus.and After He Sent Muahmmed As The Last Prophet.
Jewishs Are Wrong Because They Dont Believe Jesus.
And Christians Are Wrong They Said Jesus Is Son Of God.
But There Is No God Except The God.allah

well...you aren't gonna win anyone over w/ that attitude:tsk:

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

yes there is only one true religion:ISLAM
ALLAH IS ONLY THE GOD
ISLAM IS ONLY THE RELIGION.

For you this may be true. But you are limiting yourself. Allah is too big for any one religion. No religion can claim to be the ONE AND ONLY.

 

[sojourner]

the first prophet after Christ in the sixth dispensation is peter... the apostles holds all the keys that Christ had held and still holds... they never ordained other apostles; since they never had a chance too. a prophet has the power to bind on earth as in heaven and lose on earth as well as in heaven. the last prophet is john the revelator binding prophecy to this earth tell new prophets are chosen by god. after the second died he wrote revelation... so there was prophets in the new testament other than Jesus Christ they never took the title and didn't need to because they where prophet revelators and seers when they where ordained... they took the keys of the priesthood to there graves. “And thus the world went into darkness...”

History will not bear you out on any of this. You may believe what you like, but it's simply not Biblical.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

the first prophet after Christ in the sixth dispensation is peter... the apostles holds all the keys that Christ had held and still holds... they never ordained other apostles; since they never had a chance too. a prophet has the power to bind on earth as in heaven and lose on earth as well as in heaven. the last prophet is john the revelator binding prophecy to this earth tell new prophets are chosen by god. after the second died he wrote revelation... so there was prophets in the new testament other than Jesus Christ they never took the title and didn't need to because they where prophet revelators and seers when they where ordained... they took the keys of the priesthood to there graves. “And thus the world went into darkness...”

It is an impressive fantasy.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

I would like to enage in a one on one debate on the subject: THE BIBLE SUPPORTS ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION TODAY.

Well, I'm not much into debate, discussion being far more my style!

But that said, the problem I have with your statement is the word "today!"

While I happily stipulate that the Bible is legitimate, God-sent scripture, IMV it is scripture for a past Age, and has been superceded by newer Divine Revelation with the social teachings we need for this day and Age!

Just a single exaple should suffice: the Bible supports slavery. Today's religious Revelation explicitly prohibits it in its original, revealed scripture.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[hanif]

DEAR JEWSCOUT
GOD SAY TO YOU:
40.O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I shalL fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. SURA OF COW 41.And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

 

[hanif]

AND GOD SAY TO CHRISTIANS
58."This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom." 59.The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
84.Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islám)."

 

[jewscout]

DEAR JEWSCOUT
GOD SAY TO YOU:
40.O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I shalL fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. SURA OF COW 41.And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

soooooooo your saying i can be a jew and that G-d wants me to be a jew and follow torah and the teachings therein?

 

[hanif]

YES YOU MUST BELIEVE TORAH AND KORAN.
3.It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) ... 4.before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.

 

[jewscout]

YES YOU MUST BELIEVE TORAH AND KORAN.

that is impossible as the laws held in both contradict one another
the Torah makes it very clear in Deut. 13:1

All this word which I command you, that shall ye observe to do; thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

 

[hanif]

I ASK YOU DO YOU BELIEVE GOD WALKING AROUND IN THE GARDEN AND GOD WRESTLED WITH JACOB AND JACOB WIN HIM.THIS IS IN TORAH.GENESIS.
67.Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (which is Islám), and he joined not gods with Allah.
68.Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith

 

[jewscout]

in the Quran the punishment for theft is to have your hands cut off (S.5 Ayat 38)
this contradicts Torah

it must be one or the other

If G-d revealed a different plan for the children of Ishmael, that's one thing and that's fine. For Bnei Yisrael it is the Torah. Anything that contradicts it is not to be accepted (Deut. 13)

 

[Draka]

Since the originator of this thread has been banned it is quite useless to ask him about debating anyone anymore. Just thought I'd point that one out.

As for the discussion that is going on here. There are many different writings and scriptures all over the world. To try to state with any definity that any one is more accurate than another is a futile effort. No one can truly prove any writing more valid than cnother. It is all personal interpretation.

To quote Chris Rock's character Rufus in the movie Dogma: "Mankind got it all wrong by taking a good idea and basing a belief structure on it." "I just think it better to have ideas. You can change an idea, changing a belief is trickier, people die for it, people kill for it." While this may be quoted from what some may consider an odd movie...the sentiment is very right. There are too many ways to interpret one scripture...let alone the many that are out there. No one can say what is "right and wrong"...so why not just let people believe what they believe?

 

[hanif]

in the Quran the punishment for theft is to have your hands cut off (S.5 Ayat 38)
this contradicts Torah

it must be one or the other

If G-d revealed a different plan for the children of Ishmael, that's one thing and that's fine. For Bnei Yisrael it is the Torah. Anything that contradicts it is not to be accepted (Deut. 13)

I ASK TO YOU IN THE TORAH SAID JACOB WRESTLED WITH GOD AND HE WIN GOD.GOD WALKED AROUND THE GARDEN.IS THIS TRUE?
SO GOD SENT LAST BOOK KORAN FOR THE COMPLETE THE RULES OF TORAH.
43.But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Torah before them?- therein is the (plain) command of Allah; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=44 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=44 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 44.It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. 45.We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers.

 

[jewscout]

Jacob wrestled w/ an angel, that is the opinion of the sages and commentators.


the Quran completes nothing in regards to Judaism, as i have already demonstrated, it contains legal situations w/ different commandments then that of the Torah.

if these are guidelines for Bnei Ishmael, fine, but the Torah is for Bnei Yisrael.

they do not agree, they are not the same.

an apple is not an orange.:tsk:

 

[Darkdale]

an apple is not an orange.:tsk:

And neither are seafood.

I'm just saying... seafood rocks.