Only One True Religion

[gnostic]

Only one true religion?

I can only think of one. It represents the four points of the compass and the four noble truths.

Teletubbies!!!​

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[Draka]

I THINK THIS IS THE ANSWER.
213.Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight

I find a hard time finding an answer in that scripture to this question:

Why would God create such extraordinary diversity in nature, yet only one true path to Her? Or, conversely, why is nature so different from the God of your one true religion? Are you implying that your God is not the creator of nature?

 

[jewscout]

I find a hard time finding an answer in that scripture to this question:

i think hanif is trying to say that once the world was one language, one people, then people misundestood or didn't listen to the prophets and so Allah sent Muhammed and the quran to "reunify" the people.

but this, of course, only works on a single assumption: that the quran and islam is right


i disagree.

 

[Draka]

i think hanif is trying to say that once the world was one language, one people, then people misundestood or didn't listen to the prophets and so Allah sent Muhammed and the quran to "reunify" the people.

but this, of course, only works on a single assumption: that the quran and islam is right


i disagree.

I get that much. But it still doesn't seem to me to explain the diversity in nature that Sunstone was pointing out. Not to mention that not all people came from that region so for that reason then all people could not have possibly been of one language, one people. Different cultures were growing all over the world. So is the diversity of human nature as well...so why not diversity in paths?

 

[jewscout]

I get that much. But it still doesn't seem to me to explain the diversity in nature that Sunstone was pointing out. Not to mention that not all people came from that region so for that reason then all people could not have possibly been of one language, one people. Different cultures were growing all over the world. So is the diversity of human nature as well...so why not diversity in paths?

well i think that the quran is working on the belief that most people in the world originated from this area of the world (in the Torah you will find it in the "tower of babel" story) and, so the story goes, the people were of one language. they were one nation.

but i see what you are saying that the quote doesn't answer the question of diversity very well.

 

[Sunstone]

Even if mankind was once a single nation (and there is little or no evidence for that notion), appealing to that "fact" still fails to address my question. How can the same God that created the extraordinary diversity of nature be the same God that created only one true path to Her? How is this plausible? Did She suddenly change her basic approach to things when She got around to creating how humans might approach Her? Why would She be so "broad-minded" about diversity in nature, and so "narrow-minded" about diversity in spiritual paths? Isn't it therefore absurd on the face of it to say that the same God who created nature is the very God who created only one true path to Her?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Even if mankind was once a single nation (and there is little or no evidence for that notion), appealing to that "fact" still fails to address my question. How can the same God that created the extraordinary diversity of nature be the same God that created only one true path to Her? How is this plausible? Did She suddenly change her basic approach to things when She got around to creating how humans might approach Her? Why would She be so "broad-minded" about diversity in nature, and so "narrow-minded" about diversity in spiritual paths? Isn't it therefore absurd on the face of it to say that the same God who created nature is the very God who created only one true path to Her?

"You have given out too much Karma in the last 24 hours, try again later." Curses!

Well said! I love the quote "All religions are stepping stones back to god"

 

[hanif]

jewscout you must believe all of the books came from god.

110.


We certainly gave the Book to Moses, but differences arose therein: had it not been that a Word had gone forth before from thy Lord, the matter would have been decided between them, but they are in suspicious doubt concerning it.
http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=11&ayet_no=111 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=11&ayet_no=111 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 111.And, of a surety, to all will your Lord pay back (in full the recompense) of their deeds: for He knoweth well all that they do. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=11&ayet_no=112 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=11&ayet_no=112 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 112.Therefore stand firm (in the straight Path) as thou art commanded,- thou and those who with thee turn (unto Allah.; and transgress not (from the Path): for He seeth well all that ye do.

 

[hanif]

68.Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. 19.O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all thingsyou must believe all of books koran torah and gospel.if you say how can we know koran i book of god.i ask to you how can you know your book is book of GOD.IT IS SAME

 

[Mike182]

if you say how can we know koran i book of god.i ask to you how can you know your book is book of GOD.IT IS SAME

the answer is faith, and true faith comes form within, it is not forced.

 

[sojourner]

Even if mankind was once a single nation (and there is little or no evidence for that notion), appealing to that "fact" still fails to address my question. How can the same God that created the extraordinary diversity of nature be the same God that created only one true path to Her? How is this plausible? Did She suddenly change her basic approach to things when She got around to creating how humans might approach Her? Why would She be so "broad-minded" about diversity in nature, and so "narrow-minded" about diversity in spiritual paths? Isn't it therefore absurd on the face of it to say that the same God who created nature is the very God who created only one true path to Her?

The myth that there is only one path to God is a gross misunderstanding of Godly access, and mostly imperialistic hubris.

 

[jewscout]

jewscout you must believe all of the books came from god.

none of them align, they are contradictory to one another.

hanif you have no authority to tell me what i must or must not believe.

again, the quran holds about as much wait in Halachah as Moby Dick and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Draka]

jewscout you must believe all of the books came from god.

Why MUST he believe in anything? He doesn't HAVE to believe in anything he doesn't wish to believe in. Just because you believe a certain way doesn't mean anyone else HAS to. And he's right...of all the books that supposedly "come from god" there are lots of contradictions. You cannot possibly take ALL of them as working fluently together. Shoot, even one book has contradictions within itself. These books have been translated and rewritten over and over. It is now to the point that it is more important to believe and have faith than strict scripture adherence...for strict scripture adherence becomes very difficult with every "version" and translation of the scriptures. You cannot gaurantee, no matter how adamently you put your foot down, that every word you read was as it was originally written and therefore has not lost some of its original message or meaning...or that those things haven't been changed throughout time to fit more with the times during which the versions or translations occured.

Please accept that there will be differences and trying to force your opinions and beliefs does nothing but hurt...both you and your opponent in the conversation.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

jewscout you must believe all of the books came from god.

JS, please take note: from now on, you must believe all of the books came from god. One cannot argue with this, a mere statement of fact.

Question, though! *raises hand* Do the rest of us have to believe the same? 'Cause while I'm okay demanding that other people do things, I'm not so into the whole demanding that I do the same.

 

[Mike182]

JS, please take note: from now on, you must believe all of the books came from god. One cannot argue with this, a mere statement of fact.

Question, though! *raises hand* Do the rest of us have to believe the same? 'Cause while I'm okay demanding that other people do things, I'm not so into the whole demanding that I do the same.

i think, feathers, that all three books combined gives strong enough justification for the burning of heathens ........ maybe we should both run away:help:

 

[Feathers in Hair]

i think, feathers, that all three books combined gives strong enough justification for the burning of heathens ........ maybe we should both run away:help:

I'll protect you, Mike! (Boy I wish that we had a version of this smilie :slap: except with the left one stepping in front of the other as a 'shield'.) My collander works not only as a stylish helmet but is also coated with asbestos! Have two!

In light of Mike's point, I withdraw my demand for JS to believe what was stated.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

well...you aren't gonna win anyone over w/ that attitude:tsk:

I agree with u...

Hanif....this is not the best attitude to have while discussing religiouns:tsk:

So, there is one religion, the religion of the soul. And there is one God, the God for all living entities. All the living entities should therefor live like one big family by casting aside all their material designations. This is because, just as God is not Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc, all his part and parcels, the souls are also originally free from such material designations.

I respect that post a lot....it's great really..

we both agree on the same basic concept of religions..
but let me tell u that not all religions believe in the same God...

We Abrahamic religions believe in the same God...but since we worship Him, we must obey His orders, and apply His laws the He proposed to us...

It's not just that I love God, and enough....if u really love Him, then do what he orders u to do...by this way He will accept u in His paradise..
got my point?

none of them align, they are contradictory to one another

yet they still came from same God, cuz we agree the same One...but with different views...and we have to look for the sources of contradictories rather than puplishing a new God...

the main topic concerns discussing whether there is one true religion or no..

it's a prespective view...every religion believes it's the only one...but if we agreed with one God, then we are half way to our united religion..

we need to think first about God, and the common things between religions, and who knows, we may discover one religion that is the true one with respect to all these religions..

note that im talking to Abrahamic religions, which aquire the same basis and backgrounds...but Hindu and other religions disagree with most of our basics..

 

[gnostic]

I just find it silly that Christians and Muslims continuously argue over who has the one true religion. It is really only a matter of your interpretation of whose religion is better. Both religions are flawed, because they both let their ego get in the way of their search for spirituality.

Let Chaos rules, instead of your dogma.

Or better yet, let the teletubbies rule. At least in their world, you would get endless sunshine, green grass and trees, and all the goodies you can eat. And best of all, it's all play and no work. :dan:

 

[Booko]

it's a prespective view...every religion believes it's the only one...but if we agreed with one God, then we are half way to our united religion..

Um, actually no. Every religion does not believe it's the only one.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

it's a prespective view...every religion believes it's the only one...but if we agreed with one God, then we are half way to our united religion..

we need to think first about God, and the common things between religions, and who knows, we may discover one religion that is the true one with respect to all these religions..

As Booko noted, there are many religions that do not believe that theirs is the only correct one. Oddly enough, too, if we agreed on one God, then that would wipe out our polytheistic traditions, too, which tend to be fairly tolerant, so we'd actually be about twenty steps further away from a 'united religion'