Only One True Religion

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

[E]very religion believes it's the only one.

Clearly false!

You obviously didn't read what I said, so I guess I'll have to repeat it! This is a quote from the Baha'i scrxiptures:

"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."

(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, page 114)

Just the facts.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

(Sorry about the double post: the system choked while I was sending this, and I thought the first time hadn't gotten through because it didn't appear at the time. (Too bad they don't give us "delete" and "edit" buttons here.)

Bruce

 

[Sunstone]

(Sorry about the double post: the system choked while I was sending this, and I thought the first time hadn't gotten through because it didn't appear at the time. (Too bad they don't give us "delete" and "edit" buttons here.)

Bruce

Actually, Bruce, you should have edit and delete functions for your own post. Look at the top bar along your post and see if you don't find a small "edit" button.

 

[sojourner]

I said this in another thread, but it's apropos here, too.

Unity does not = uniformity. We were created in wondrous variety, so it is natural for us to have developed our perspectives of the divine in wondrous variety. I believe that there is one expression of the divine Will, but many perspectives of the divine Will. Christians call it "God." Muslims call it "Allah." Jews call it "Yahweh," etc.

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi, I believe the scriptures to be true. But I would start that it is not to be called the Book (BIBLE in Greek) that is what the word means. The scriptures call themselves scripture. To narrow it down for u. i believe the Translations of the world are Not without error. Still the scriptures only tell one way.

 

[Krie]

i believe that there is no one religion. I think that most religions exist only b/c ppl just need things to understand, not because that is the divine power. Though, if all of them did exist then there would be some serious battles between the gods, no?

 

[BruceDLimber]

Actually, Bruce, you should have edit and delete functions for your own post. Look at the top bar along your post and see if you don't find a small "edit" button.

You're quite right, Sun; thank you!

Unfortunately, there's only an "edit" button, not a "delete" one. But I'll give them credit: they certainly hide it well! (I'm used to seeing these buttons BIG, down at the bottom right like the "quote" button!)

Best,

Bruce

 

[Draka]

You're quite right, Sun; thank you!

Unfortunately, there's only an "edit" button, not a "delete" one. But I'll give them credit: they certainly hide it well! (I'm used to seeing these buttons BIG, down at the bottom right like the "quote" button!)

Best,

Bruce

Actually, unless it's different for supporters, once you are in the edit screen, there chould be an option to delete the whole post. I know I have deleted a post for very much the same reason before. The option to delete the post is above the main editing area.

 

[hanif]

104.Say: "O ye men! If ye are in doubt as to my religion, (behold!) I worship not what ye worship, other than Allah! But I worship Allah - Who will take your souls (at death): I am commanded to be (in the ranks) of the Believers,
50.Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?
prophets are normal human they do not have any supernatural forces.but people crucified them ana god sent prophets for this.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

seems u didnt continue my post...my post concerned the Abrahamic religions...

take care of all the post before judging

 

[jewscout]

We Abrahamic religions believe in the same God...but since we worship Him, we must obey His orders, and apply His laws the He proposed to us...

It's not just that I love God, and enough....if u really love Him, then do what he orders u to do...by this way He will accept u in His paradise..
got my point?

that's all well and good but as i have pointed out, the Torah, gospels and Quran do not line up regarding laws and commandments, they are different.
as i have stated before, if G-d, or an angel sent by G-d, came to Muhammed and said that it was time for a message to be given to the Ishmaelites, fine that's their message, and so long as it falls w/in the bounds of the Noahidic code then i got no problem w/ it.
But HaShem gave the Torah to the Israelites, that is their covenant w/ HaShem for all time, not to be changed or tweeked in any way.

it's a prespective view...every religion believes it's the only one...but if we agreed with one God, then we are half way to our united religion..

judaism believes that ethical monotheism is the right way, but not specifically Judaism being the right way for all.

we need to think first about God, and the common things between religions, and who knows, we may discover one religion that is the true one with respect to all these religions..

no i think we will find commonality but that to each family, each nation, each religion contains different experiences w/ the Divine force. This is not necessarily a bad thing, it's just an apples and oranges thing.

 

[hanif]

ALL THE DIVINE RELIGIONS CAME FROM GOD.BUT THEY WERE DETORTED.SO GOD SENT KORAN
44.It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=45 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=45 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 45.We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=46 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=46 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 46.And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Torah that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=47 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=47 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 47.Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=48 http://www.mobiquran.com/ http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=48 http://www.mobiquran.com/ 48.To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

 

[Booko]

that's all well and good but as i have pointed out, the Torah, gospels and Quran do not line up regarding laws and commandments, they are different.

Very true, but the laws and commandments should probably be different, because the times and places in which those Books were sent were different.
[/quote]

HaShem may not change, but people and their civilizations definitely do.

 

[hanif]

Very true, but the laws and commandments should probably be different, because the times and places in which those Books were sent were different
THIS VERSE IS VERY GOOD AND TRUE.
RELIGION COME STEP STEP.FIRST STEP TORAH SECOND GOSPEL AND THE LAST KORAN.
44.It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers.

 

[jewscout]

and yet the Torah calls the Mitzvot an eternal decree for your generations...

i wasn't aware eternity had a shelf life

 

[hanif]

If You Read Koran You Can See This Is The Sound Of Elohim.

 

[Ody]

If You Read Koran You Can See This Is The Sound Of Elohim.

I read the Koran and threw it away. Stop trying to get others to convert to your religion DAMN YOU! :banghead3

I CAME HERE TO LEARN ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS, NOT TO BE PREACHED TO!!!!!!!

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

We are one people, but for there to be one true religion? I think we are far from that.

Earlier today I posted an article by Ken Wilber on Integral Spirituality in the Religious Debates section. In another article by him called 'Which level of God do you believe in?' he summarises Jean Gebster's levels of human development. Here is an excerpt: -

"An archaic God sees divinity in any strong instinctual force. A magic God locates divine power in the human ego and its magical capacity to change the animistic world with rituals and spells. A mythic God is located not on this earth but in a heavenly paradise not of this world, entrance to which is gained by living according to the covenants and rules given by this God to his peoples. A mental God is a rational God, a demythologized Ground of Being that underlies all forms of existence. And an integral God is one that embraces all of the above."

To even approach a 'one true religion' I think Christianity, Judaism and Islam will have to generally acknowledge that they are part of a much wider spirituality that encompasses many other religions and worldviews, and that the validity of those religions/worldviews is not inferior, but can actually be complementary, to their own versions of the truth. We have a situation where the Abrahamic religions are too stuck in the Mythic God phase. This is unnecessary.

 

[jewscout]

If You Read Koran You Can See This Is The Sound Of Elohim.

that still doesn't address the issue that there are inherent contraditions between the content of the Torah, the Gospels and the Quran.
and you have brought me nothing except "the quran is right" to prove otherwise.

your book is for you, mine for me.

why can't that be good enough for people?:banghead3

 

[Booko]

We have a situation where the Abrahamic religions are too stuck in the Mythic God phase. This is unnecessary.

Excellent post, SW.

fwiw, the Baha'i Faith is an Abrahamic religion too.