Opening the door of Christianity as Anti-Christ!

[wizanda]

All I know is when i meet people I either remember them from heaven or not in many cases.... heaven is infinite and so in a way it is already counted....
So to know many peoples souls and what they get up to is something i thought everyone did and so slowly learned that is not the case and most people don't see this.
Also to have known God since birth, have no doubts about heaven etc i sort of felt as 5 year old that everyone knew this, yet I am learning it isn’t always so.

The part in Daniel makes the most sense, as that is what I am doing on here, trying to open these books and show they are not in the sense that has been taught by man.

All I want is for people to realize Yeshua didn’t have some huge ego, he never portrayed him self as such.
With these bits fixed there would no longer be Muslim versus Christian, as the Bible would be fixed and we can all get on the world.

 

[astarath]

the only one who can open those scrolls are the angels of the apocalypse. Are you claiming to be an angel of the apocalypse. There is no controversy between true christians and true muslims if both follow the tenets and basis of their faiths..love one another and love Allah?

All children are aware of the kingdom for they are the closest to the kingdom, the ability to recognise souls, see the future and be aware of the kingdom are tools and skills accesible not only to the devout follower but also to the devout sinner. For Satan himself does the same as you. Save that he does not boast that he can read the books of life that will only be read by the angels of the apocalypse.

 

[wizanda]

Chapter 10 of Revelations I did...new name of Christ i have, old name of the father also, name of Zian....mmmm...what would you say?

 

[astarath]

I would say you are sadly mistaken if you think yourself an angel of the lord, you quote facts that only present mistruths, your voice does not bring forth the voice of the seven thunders unless those who are writing against you are the seven thunders of the apocalypse to which I can safely attest I am not.

 

[wizanda]

The thunder is what convinced me of chapter 10, as they came from every direction at the same time, never heard anything quite like it....
Also can guarantee that we will be going back to sit where we do in heaven….so I don’t mind if you don’t believe it, I know what has been stated is truth; it is only if you can accept the murder of Christ, could you see it the other way around and I can’t…. so guess we just have to wait until judgment day, which is in about 5 years now… 2012 for the pole shift, etc if these books and prophecies are right…yet we shall see what happens….

 

[astarath]

Your time of judgment alone deems you a false prophet for in Matthew 24:

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Whether or not the spirit speaks to you, whether or not Satan has deceived you to think yourself an angel you do not know the time of the end for only Yahweh knows that.

You have been proven to bear bad fruits and therefore you are a bad tree, you must repent from this lie and search for the salvation and grace of Yeshua.

Christ warned that false prophets will come and say the end has come and they would tell us where we should find Christ. However this is not their right to say. Christ is found within us all and thus can not be learned rather experienced. The demon with you is strong and I pray the Yeshua may expel him from within you and illumine your path to guide you back to the truth.

 

[wizanda]

Lol, that is funny!!!! if you only knew, how wrong you are....when you have sat with God in Heaven and the ascended masters, Elders have welcomed you as a long lost friend and then you come back down here to help and have people say such things how do you think i feel? I sit an laughing....you are busy proclaiming a man must die for you and then claiming me a devil for trying to show you why not?

Did you know Christians always do this, just like the Pharisee....which is why I posted the list of references in all books globally first…anyways we going well off the track and this was a thread on Christians, not me; Zan corn cutter is me

 

[astarath]

You mistake me Wizanda, I did not say that the man needed to die, I am saying that he did die though and because of it he set an example by which we are all to follow. Principally this, follow the Law of Allah with unwavering faith, with every action and deed, even if this will lead to your death, for in times like these wherever this message is preached there will be anger and hatred towards it. I say do as Christ did and have no fear because we are one with the Lord.

One does not need recollect being in heaven to retain the wisdom of the Lord, Wizanda if you were once in the kingdom and are now here you have truly strayed from the path, for you have forgotten the purpose of the demise of the son. God did not have to offer sacrifice to himself, this would be a ridiculous concept.

However God sent his son to be sacrifice to show that we are to walk as living sacrifices to the Lord. To show that our sole purpose is our devotion to the Lord and his love, so just as a sacrifice's sole purpose is to appease the God to whom it is sacrificed so to are we to devote our whole purpose unto the Lord.

 

[wizanda]

Yeh sorry, you are right I am being harsh and shouldn’t be….sort of started on the works thread for telling you. As basically you seem to know the old testament/Torah well and its tradition and meanings. I sort of get a little defensive in the whole thing and maybe take it to personal.
Doesn’t help a lot take sides and not look at it as court case to begin. So often the odd splinters people send me makes some of the replies in rebound to them.

There are a few point in the question that I see that you are missing, within this as such and maybe, that rest on John and Simon the stone (peter) case.
As without these the case is more clear, as they back up the view point you are having.
Without them all, if you can look at it (may take re-reading the gospels, with out what I call Pharisee), you will see a new Christ a person who stood for what was right even if standing alone.
Then that of the Zechariah prophecy is a perfect foretelling and fulfilment of scripture proving Christ within Jewish custom as it is spot on….and then also showing why all must happen to make people realize how wrong they can still be and why they are living here and not back in heaven.

You see it is John whom goes against the Torah from my reckoning allot more then Paul does….if you take into account the temple destroying is said in Matthew and Mark to be a lie, then in John to be told as truth still makes no sense..

When Matthew mentions the acacia tree (I think he said) and so almost an eye witness account though it is said, it was written later things, get published that way (Maccabees 3\4=1977).

The disciple John Mark mentions when on the mountain how it looks white as snow so again an eye witness account, in my opinion that is….

So making John untrustworthy, I think I posted the list of points I find questionable and maybe more.
Yet when most stands against the Torah, right from the very beginning, in do not drink blood or meat and we are told Christ said that???

Seriously he is amazing and has made calculation, that have taken me a E-Sword with every Bible translation I can get to find some of the things. Just for checking Hebrew and Greek also as allot is mistranslated on purpose it would appear. Yet when he has related points across the old testament, then it is very unlike he would have made such a slip up as to wrongly and rudely stood in defiance of all written, as you will see from my list.
There is still more to uncover and don’t want to offend you as your knowledge is much appreciated in finding the truth of whom Christ was and is, without Pauline doctrine and the rest, as I am now putting across.

 

[astarath]

You are not putting forth words new to anyone for they have already been said before thousands of years before you. Christ warned of the leaven of the Pharisee, but know this to John and Matthew neither were present at the crucifixion of the lord rather onyl Mary the mother, Mary the Magdala, James the Just, and the mother of the sons of zebedee. With this in mind Matthew continued his gospel works under the title of the church of Jerusalem which was lead by James the Just, this is why his account is so accurate. Also Jon was a son of zebedee and the most beloved of all the apostles. His mother was present at Yeshua's lifting of his soul and his account holds accurate truths to which Mark and Luke have no claim.

John has been mistranslated but his most famous verse holds true to a sense.

John 3:16 If you believe in the Christ, and when I say believe I mean follow the teachings of the Yeshua as instructed, then you shall not perish but have everlasting life.

This most important truth was indeed revealed by none other than a pharisee that Christ welcomed and loved above the rest of his twelve chosen, yet you persecute and claim a liar?

By what right do you correct the son?

 

[wizanda]

So was he mistaken when asked just here directly that same question?

Mar 10:17-27
(17) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
(18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(19) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
(20) And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
(21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
(22) And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
(23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
(24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
(25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
(26) And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
(27) And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

or is John a Pharisee...

John-Mark is the gospel of the disciple whom went with Yeshua up the mountain.

 

[astarath]

By what right do you correct the son?

So was he mistaken when asked just here directly that same question?

These are nowhere near the same question

 

[wizanda]

So on the ground you trust John nicodemus possibly, which is a version of Nicholas...or Nicolaitans which doctrine we hate (from Revelations)....

Whom then goes against the disciple John-Mark as just posted, which is the same in more then one gospel...

Whom do you trust, Yeshua or Pharisee?

 

[astarath]

There is no grounds for the split you are considering John a pharisee becaus eby birth he was born into the teaching of the pharisees but truly he received the message of the Lord before you existed Wizanda and so you have no place and no authority over him or your teachings. Christ loved him more than any other apostle because he saw in him something worth loving. As I dont now nor ever will consider your judgement superior to that of Yeshua in any way I will side with John.

As far as the question of Yeshua or Pharisee, with Yeshua I stand. Anyone who knows me knows this true. But as far as you placing judgement on apostles (Paul excluded;not an apostle of Christ) you are not to judge...period for God is the only judge. If you would dispute this show me by what right

 

[charles brough]

Wizanda, I am a new member and new to this thread, but I must say I am impressed with your long post. I can see you have done a lot of study in the scriptures. Most believers are not involved in it in such detail. But I could not keep reading it to the end because it seems so useless to me to give such credibility to what the ancients are claimed to have said and done. Surely you are aware that they miscopied each other, they wrote what they think SHOULD have happened instead of did happen and all this has been re-translated over and over so that there are all kinds of different Bibles.

Of course, we are interested in how you involve the anti-Christ. After all, he is a curious feature to the scriptures. But I guess I will never know what you wrote because I am old and go to sleep easily when I read Biblical tedium like that.:sleep:

charles,

 

[yuvgotmel]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Human Sacrifice: Then & Now[/FONT]
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• [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meme[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - Cultural idea, social practice, concept or action that becomes a norm and begins to repeat itself consciously in a society
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• [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meme - A thought that spreads through society taking a life of its own [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]At some point in Earth's time, a meme was established for human sacrifice. That thought-form repeated itself throughout the whole of humanity and possibly into the land that humans reside. Such a powerful inclination it was that in all parts of the world, human sacrifice was not only accepted, but it was a way of life. Human sacrifice was used for many purposes: to bring good crops, fertility, protection (over a village or home), to instill fear into neighboring tribes, atonement for sins, and possibly population control.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]For many modern people in Western societies, the topic of human sacrifice is met with shivers, scowls, and disgust. The irony is that their “morality” is often based upon religious structures which were built upon the meme of human sacrifice, including Judaism. Scholars, such as Hyam Maccoby, have devoted much research into human sacrifice in the Bible.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The topic of the Akedah, the binding of Isaac, continues to spur much debate among Jews. In his book “The Sacred Executioner: Human Sacrifice and the Legacy of Guilt,” Hyam Maccoby points out that human sacrifice was very common among the people of Abraham’s day, even up through the time of the “Old Testament” prophets. For that reason, Abraham may not have considered human sacrifice as a gruesome ritual. In fact, the modern Biblical account shows no signs of protest from Abraham. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Even in this “modern age,” human sacrifice remains a part of the practiced beliefs for people all over Africa and in remote parts of Chile, Peru and other native lands. As Isaiah Oke, a former Juju high priest, wrote in his book “Blood Secrets: The True Story of Demon Worship and Ceremonial Murder,” the governments and courts all over Africa knowingly and purposefully turn a blind eye to any such killings in the name of the powerful Juju cult. And again in the book “The Highest Altar: Unveiling the Mystery of Human Sacrifice,” Patrick Tierney, author, reveals that anthropologists for the native peoples of the Andean mountains and surrounding areas are afraid to speak on the subject of human sacrifice for fear of losing their access privileges into those countries. So powerful is the meme of human sacrifice, to this day, those modern governments still protect the belief in it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The human sacrifice meme (in all beliefs from all parts of the world), for the purposes of atonement, goes something like this:[/FONT]

1. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] A group of people choose a victim for their ritual. Usually the sacrifice is a child, a member of royalty, a person of a warring tribe, a strong male, or a parentless or unwanted child (or another member of the society who is undesirable). [/FONT]
2. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The group then collectively heaps their sin onto the victim through mockery and torture during the ritual.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]During such rituals, it is common for the participants to be “covered in the blood” of the sacrifice. The blood of the sacrifice is considered to have magical healing and atoning properties.[/FONT]
4. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Once the victim is dead, the victim is thereafter prayed to as a saint, god, or messenger. That is done to raise the spirit of the dead into “eternal life” by remembering the person, their death and sacrifice. It is also for the purposes of reminding the victim to take their message to the higher “deity(s)”.[/FONT]
5. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Furthermore, in some ceremonies, it is common to partake of the victim’s blood and/or flesh.[/FONT]
6. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] It is even common to establish a symbol, location or belief structure surrounding that sacrifice in order to keep the sacrifice valid and alive through remembering.[/FONT]
7. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Also, it was/is considered that the location of the ritualistic killing is done in an important area. Often this would mean a mountain or a hill, such as seen with Abraham or Golgotha[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Human sacrifice is a strong powerful force that manipulates a certain group consciousness—from a hierarchy of principalities which influence this world—that drove the Roman government to create and establish a religion based upon it. The meme keeps reproducing itself and blending into every culture worldwide as an accepted means to “atonement.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Modern Christians withdraw at the mirror when it comes to the subject of human sacrifice. Yet, as missionaries pour into the lesser-“civilized” parts of the world, they are shocked at their own reflection. Read this excerpt from “The Highest Altar: Unveiling the Mystery of Human Sacrifice” by Patrick Tierney, p. 303:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It’s commonly supposed among Aymara Indians that the communion wafers—which, after consecration, become “the body of Christ”—are fabricated from stolen bits of human bodies, and that changing themselves into flesh-sucking vampires is the real, professional occupation of Catholic priests and nuns. “A woman came to the church here in town and demanded to see Father Edmundo,” recalled Sister Liticia. “She wanted to buy human flesh from him.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]And in the book “Blood Secrets: The True Story of Demon Worship and Ceremonial Murder,” by Isaiah Oke, the author explains that the Juju priests mimicked some of the practices they saw while watching the Catholic priests perform rituals. The Christians had given the Juju worshippers ideas! ...but not necessarily "good ones." The author told how the Juju priests were especially pleased with how the Catholic priests would “spray” or “sprinkle” the congregation with special tools.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The parallels of the black magic ritualistic killing and Christianity’s core theme are startling. In fact, it is my own opinion that priests and preachers have warned their followers not to study such subjects in order to keep people from seeing the obvious meme of human sacrifice.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Many people argue that communion is symbolic. Yet look at the Catholic belief in transubstation, where the wine and bread literally change into the blood and flesh of their “savior.” Furthermore, even in symbolic form, the meme continues, by the mere belief that human sacrifice is necessary. Many claim that the communion is symbolic; however, if the belief follows that there is/was a real necessity for a physical sacrifice, then it nixes out the possibility that the communion can merely be symbolic.
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[yuvgotmel]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Human Sacrifice and the Messianic Era[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Scholars like Hyam Maccoby noted that there appears to be a hint of human sacrifice directly after Cain and Abel took their offerings to the Lord (in Genesis 4). After Cain’s offering was rejected, he slew his brother Abel.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Right after the murder of his brother, the Bible states that Abel’s blood cried to him from the grave. This parallels the classic meme that the victim of human sacrifice becomes a messenger to the god(s). It is thought that the act of ritualistic killing literally forces negative energy into the soil. Empaths claim that where a murder or tragic death occurred the environment "feels" different.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]However, why was human sacrifice ever considered truly necessary?
How did the meme begin?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]In “The Living Torah” by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, verse Genesis 4:3 reads: “An era ended. Cain brought some of his crops as an offering to God. God paid heed to Abel and his offering.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Rabbi Kaplan documents in his footnotes that the part in the verse “An era ended,” can be interpreted as “It was the end of days.” He goes on to explain that “this same expression is used to denote the Messianic era, when the present era will end.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]His conclusions are further made clear from the Biblical account of the pre-flood era. It appears as if whenever a ritualistic killing is performed, it infuses the earth with violence, as it details in Genesis 6:11~12:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."[/FONT]

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Book of Enoch and elsewhere in the Torah, it explains that there were giants on the earth ("in those days and after"), who devoured each other’s flesh, literally: cannibalism. Those giants are the spiritual equivalent to the meme that drives the desire for human sacrifice.It was their actions which “filled the earth with violence.” And the result of the earth being infused with all the negative energies, brought about the flood, or so they thought.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]It is my own contention that there is a widespread belief among religious fanatics of all faiths—which motivates wars, cannibalistic rituals, and etc.—with hopes in bringing about an apocalyptic event. That is to say, I believe that the Catholic Church was created for the purpose of destroying the world (through a state-sponsored religion based on human sacrifice). My opinion also extends to all religious fanatical branches of Protestantism, Islam, Zionism, Judaism, etc., especially ones that would rather have an apocalyptic event than be responsible for their own spirituality and the experience of being human.[/FONT]

 

[yuvgotmel]

Dear Wizanda,

I agree with most everything you are saying, as you can probably tell from my responses. ...This is a most controversial subject, as I have found over the years.