Opinions about Saudi people.

[Shadow Wolf]

I think if you do a quick search on the public opinion of homosexuality in Saudi Arabia, you'd change how you felt.

Homosexuality is not the only issue. And lets be honest, in many places in America it's not even been legal to be gay for a century yet.

 

[Revoltingest]

Homosexuality is not the only issue. And lets be honest, in many places in America it's not even been legal to be gay for a century yet.

And a presidential candidate who just fared well in NV only recently decided not to oppose gay marriage.
Even Dick Cheney is more progressive....loved by gays, but feared by lawyers.

 

[BSM1]

It's illegal in most American states to smoke pot, but there are still a ton of pot heads. Laws of the state is not synonymous with approval of the people.

Pretty much.

Technically I don't think it's illegal to smoke pot in most states, it's illegal to possess pot.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And a presidential candidate who just fared well in NV only recently decided not to oppose gay marriage.
Even Dick Cheney is more progressive....loved by gays, but feared by lawyers.

And many states are hell bent on ensuring "religious beliefs" supersedes civil rights and protections when it comes to GLBT. Perhaps the first case heard by Scallia's successor will involve this very issue, because we're at a point in society where it's bound to happen any day now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Technically I don't think it's illegal to smoke pot in most states, it's illegal to possess pot.

Still have to possess it to smoke it.

 

[Thana]

Hey guys!

I found this Youtube video about some opinions on Saudi people and I thought I'd share it with you. I know that this is only one side and no peoples are perfect, but this video does show opinions nevertheless.

It goes back and forth with the same persons, so I guess you will have to see it all, and cope with some of the random stuff said by one of them that kinda does not make sense because of not being shot in full for them. Also, sorry for having the lady blurred out. It was the author, and by our standards it does not mean belittling women. The bigger picture and the main point are what matter after all.

I guess I think that people who don't fight against injustice are not people I respect.

But I prefer not to generalize, Since the people are not all bad and not all good, as with any country.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess I think that people who don't fight against injustice are not people I respect.

Then can it be assumed that you respect no one? Perhaps not even yourself? The world is plagued with them, and every nation is guilty.

 

[Thana]

Then can it be assumed that you respect no one? Perhaps not even yourself? The world is plagued with them, and every nation is guilty.

I don't expect everyone to be a hero.
But change only comes about if people ask for it, and honestly, not many people in Saudi Arabia are asking for it. And I can't respect that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

My view is Saudi people in general, like the Chinese, are continually cautious and wary on how they behave and act because of fear of repercussions. It's seems to be more of a cat and mouse society which leads to a reserved and tempered mentality among themselves and towards others largely over political and religious reasons.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But change only comes about if people ask for it, and honestly, not many people in Saudi Arabia are asking for it. And I can't respect that.

The problem is is that those who want to are very often rightfully scared. Even Facebook's "real name" policy puts them at risk. There's actually quiet a few asking for change, but they either flee the country, wind up in jail, or end up dead. You also have to consider that people in general tend to just go along with authority. They don't ask questions or challenge things, they just do what they're told. However, the pressure of Revolution is building, and it can't explode, as needs to happen, if the West keeps getting involved. But something that we tend to not think of, is how easy it is for us to criticize our government and the majority religion, many Muslims in Muslim cultures do want to speak up, but if they do it it can literally get them killed.

 

[Thana]

The problem is is that those who want to are very often rightfully scared. Even Facebook's "real name" policy puts them at risk. There's actually quiet a few asking for change, but they either flee the country, wind up in jail, or end up dead. You also have to consider that people in general tend to just go along with authority. They don't ask questions or challenge things, they just do what they're told. However, the pressure of Revolution is building, and it can't explode, as needs to happen, if the West keeps getting involved. But something that we tend to not think of, is how easy it is for us to criticize our government and the majority religion, many Muslims in Muslim cultures do want to speak up, but if they do it it can literally get them killed.

All western societies have been exactly where the middle eastern ones are now. We progressed because people fought for it, even under threat of death, they fought.
And we didn't have things like the internet and mobiles to make it easier, But we still got it done. It all comes down to wanting change, and not enough people do. That's the problem and that's why I cant respect them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All western societies have been exactly where the middle eastern ones are now. We progressed because people fought for it, even under threat of death, they fought.

Why do you think the United States Revolution barely happened? Why do you think there was some reluctance in doing the French Revolution? History is a long struggle and deadly power struggle, and the psychology and sociology of such situations makes it easy to understand why so many remain silent. They remain silent because of the consequences, and thus it becomes harder to even identify potential allies. You can't just trust someone and open up to them; it can be bad here, it can be deadly over there.
And it's not like I see many Westerners protesting their own government's egregious crimes, the horrible exploitation of many corporations (it includes slavery), or the fact that most of their food is killing them. We here are legally protected to do so, and we can assume we'll arrive safely at home and sleep soundly in a warm bed. That is so not the case in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Thana]

Why do you think the United States Revolution barely happened? Why do you think there was some reluctance in doing the French Revolution? History is a long struggle and deadly power struggle, and the psychology and sociology of such situations makes it easy to understand why so many remain silent. They remain silent because of the consequences, and thus it becomes harder to even identify potential allies. You can't just trust someone and open up to them; it can be bad here, it can be deadly over there.
And it's not like I see many Westerners protesting their own government's egregious crimes, the horrible exploitation of many corporations (it includes slavery), or the fact that most of their food is killing them. We here are legally protected to do so, and we can assume we'll arrive safely at home and sleep soundly in a warm bed. That is so not the case in Saudi Arabia.

I see plenty of Westerners protesting these things, Nike would be a good example. Our sins are that we demand, but it is their own corrupt governments who supply that demand with oppression. And you can't have it both ways, Either you want us to stay out of other countries business or you want us to intervene.

Hypocrisy aside, I'm just saying I don't respect their apathy to change. And honestly, I don't want to hear excuses. Because that's what they are, excuses.

 

[David1967]

I think that basically people are people with good and bad in every country. I tend to take my impressions of people on an individual basis. As far as Saudi Arabian people, Smart Guy is the only one I know and the impression I have of him from our conversations is a good one. He would be welcome to visit my home if he were ever in my area.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I see plenty of Westerners protesting these things, Nike would be a good example.

If there were that many people, why is Nike still a terrible company? If there are plenty of protesters, why have they not changed their practices?

Our sins are that we demand, but it is their own corrupt governments who supply that demand with oppression.

We are told to demand. No one protests commercials. They may protest the content, but few bother to ever complain that we are constantly and nearly always bombarded with advertisements. Do you really think anyone in their right mind wants to cough up hundreds of dollars every couple of years to purchase the next model of phone that really isn't even that different from the one they already have?

And you can't have it both ways, Either you want us to stay out of other countries business or you want us to intervene.

The only time I've advocated Western intervention is in the case of ISIS actually becoming a very real and very serious threat. I don't support conventional warfare and conventional invasions, however.

Hypocrisy aside, I'm just saying I don't respect their apathy to change. And honestly, I don't want to hear excuses. Because that's what they are, excuses.

So, again, do you respect anyone? People are, largely, mostly, and generally, apathetic towards changing things. Even when they hate something, as the American people do their politicians, they don't change a damn thing. At least the Afghanistan and Iraq wars had loud and vocal protests. But, again, that is our legally protected right to do so here. If the citizens of Saudi Arabia were to gather and protest the government, they are committing a very serious crime. We shouldn't shrug an apathetic shoulder towards them, we should support them and cheer them on if we are ever to see any significant changes in the area, because it is only be emboldening and upholding those brave few that others will start to join. People will die, regardless, but they need to be able to first identify who they are going to be dying with. And without organization, any effort is futile.

 

[Thana]

If there were that many people, why is Nike still a terrible company? If there are plenty of protesters, why have they not changed their practices?

We are told to demand. No one protests commercials. They may protest the content, but few bother to ever complain that we are constantly and nearly always bombarded with advertisements. Do you really think anyone in their right mind wants to cough up hundreds of dollars every couple of years to purchase the next model of phone that really isn't even that different from the one they already have?

The only time I've advocated Western intervention is in the case of ISIS actually becoming a very real and very serious threat. I don't support conventional warfare and conventional invasions, however.

So, again, do you respect anyone? People are, largely, mostly, and generally, apathetic towards changing things. Even when they hate something, as the American people do their politicians, they don't change a damn thing. At least the Afghanistan and Iraq wars had loud and vocal protests. But, again, that is our legally protected right to do so here. If the citizens of Saudi Arabia were to gather and protest the government, they are committing a very serious crime. We shouldn't shrug an apathetic shoulder towards them, we should support them and cheer them on if we are ever to see any significant changes in the area, because it is only be emboldening and upholding those brave few that others will start to join. People will die, regardless, but they need to be able to first identify who they are going to be dying with. And without organization, any effort is futile.

Because no one forces us to buy the new model phones. I still have a $50 pre-paid mobile I bought years ago, and it's brilliant. I've never owned and never intend to own a smartphone/Iphone.
Why would anyone protest commercials? That in itself is against freedom of speech.

And no, I don't really respect many people. But in the case of Saudi Arabia, I definitely don't respect the people who accept their society as is.

What do you want from me? We both agree that things aren't great over there, The only difference is that you think I shouldn't blame the people whose fault it is. Whereas I think that's exactly who needs to blamed, because they're the only ones who can change anything.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I don't know any Saudis except for that @Smart Guy.
Are you the only one posting here?
Would Saudi women be able to post here?

So far, I think I'm the only one. Women are able to post here, yes, but those who know English, utilize it in having a life instead of fooling around here like me.

It could easily be a total fabrication.

Just like anything else, including ISIS.

Well the people should have more say in the law. After all they are what keeps the nation going. Making, buying, repairing. They do it. Not the government.

"Should have" does not mean "do". It's a fact already, the people/bystanders have nothing to do with the law in this case.

All Saudis drive new Mercedes. That's suspicious.

BTW I liked the beard on that girl that spoke first on the video.

Give me a new Mercedes to realize you're theory

Yes, feminine men do exist around here too.

I guess I think that people who don't fight against injustice are not people I respect.

But I prefer not to generalize, Since the people are not all bad and not all good, as with any country.

Fighting against anything is not a simple thing and has many factors in it. Not considering that is in its own not fair and wrong.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I think that basically people are people with good and bad in every country. I tend to take my impressions of people on an individual basis. As far as Saudi Arabian people, Smart Guy is the only one I know and the impression I have of him from our conversations is a good one. He would be welcome to visit my home if he were ever in my area.

You're too kind

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because no one forces us to buy the new model phones. I still have a $50 pre-paid mobile I bought years ago, and it's brilliant. I've never owned and never intend to own a smartphone/Iphone.
Why would anyone protest commercials? That in itself is against freedom of speech.

Because they plant the seeds of those demands you mentioned earlier. You may not get the new models, but clearly a ton of people do, and a big part of the reason they do is that Apple spends a ton of money to advertise and hype up the new models. I know many posters here are fond of saying "well I don't go do that" or "no one is forcing you to buy" or even "it doesn't work," but clearly, as the statistics confirm, it works very well.

What do you want from me? We both agree that things aren't great over there, The only difference is that you think I shouldn't blame the people whose fault it is. Whereas I think that's exactly who needs to blamed, because they're the only ones who can change anything.

I was questioning your position of not respecting people who fail to fight injustices. Even without strong legal consequences deterring people from doing so, pretty much everywhere you look there are people who are not only failing to fight injustices, they actively support the means that allows for the injustices.

 

[Thana]

Because they plant the seeds of those demands you mentioned earlier. You may not get the new models, but clearly a ton of people do, and a big part of the reason they do is that Apple spends a ton of money to advertise and hype up the new models. I know many posters here are fond of saying "well I don't go do that" or "no one is forcing you to buy" or even "it doesn't work," but clearly, as the statistics confirm, it works very well.

It's their decision. I like to think of it like people think of the lottery, as a stupid tax. I'm not going to pity people who choose not to think for themselves.

I was questioning your position of not respecting people who fail to fight injustices. Even without strong legal consequences deterring people from doing so, pretty much everywhere you look there are people who are not only failing to fight injustices, they actively support the means that allows for the injustices.

Because we can't do anything about them. I have no more say over what happens in Saudi Arabia than I do with what happens in Thailand. And if you think boycotting works, then you're not seeing the bigger picture. The only people who can change anything are the people who live there.