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Opinions on Satanism

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Here you can explain what you think about Satanism. I am particularly interested in Christian opinions, but anyone is welcome.

Firstly, you can say what you've heard about Satanism. And what you think it deals with. Then you can say what you think about Satanists.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Well, I heard very very bad things related to Satanists.
I think it is impossible to consider them as one compact group. Satanism means a lots of things. By the way, I think I've understood what features all Satanists have in common.
Firstly, they all believe in selfishness as the engine that runs the world. That is, personal aspirations, dreams and expectations come first.
The others' come second. That is: the struggle for personal success is led at any cost, even at cost of the other people's failure.
Egocentric Competition, and Self-Worship : that's what I see in all Satanists' souls.

That's what Satan is. And that's the negation of my project: that is, to create a world of Universal Love and Cooperation, in which there is no hierarchy, and a lawyer is as important as a baker.
That's why I hate Satan. Not even the ocean width can express how big my hatred toward Satan is. I declare war to Satan every day. I want to destroy him and his project.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
I've read quite a bit about it, starting with Aleister Crowley and the allegations that he was a Satanist, up to Anton LaVey and his "The Satanic Church."

It's always appeared to me to be faddish, as in; "Hey I'm cool, and not a sheep like the rest of you," an announcement that is its primary appeal. If one was sworn to refrain from revealing their membership, I believe it would have died yesterday. It's an ego thing: "Look at how bad I am."

And, I believe that were it not for the fact that it's a bit undergroundish and anti-establishment no one would bother with it.

Just my opinion, of course. ;)
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
I've seen some Satanists say/write things I agree with philosophically and some who appear simply stuck on teen angst and rebellion as an outlook or way of life. I think that is probably a typical experience even amongst themselves. Haven't studied it like other isms to have much of a say...though I don't think the Christian view of Satan applies much to individual versions of it and definitely doesn't matter to me.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I've seen some Satanists say/write things I agree with philosophically and some who appear simply stuck on teen angst and rebellion as an outlook or way of life. I think that is probably a typical experience even amongst themselves. Haven't studied it like other isms to have much of a say...though I don't think the Christian view of Satan applies much to individual versions of it and definitely doesn't matter to me.

Okay. Can you please say what things you agree philosophically with?

well...what view of Satan do they have? It would be great if you explained it to me
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Well I will, because there is a distinction to be made. There is Luciferian Satanism and LaVeyan Satanism, both are inherently different philosphies.

Very good. Can you please say what you think about them?
I've never understood the real difference between them
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
Very good. Can you please say what you think about them?
I've never understood the real difference between them

As far as I understand it; which is very rudimentary:

LaVeyan Satanism is all about self determined goals. Unlike christians (who believe god has a plan for us all) Satanists would say you choose your own path whether from a higher power or not. There is no fate. 'Satan' in this instance is nothing more than a counter-culture pop icon and does not refer to Satan of the bible.

Luciferianism is about the seeking of knowledge from both within and without. While many of them do recognize Lucifer as an actual being (although they envision him quite differently than Christians), they are not dependent upon him, as they see people of many other religions. They do not follow this path simply because they are expected to.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Here you can explain what you think about Satanism. I am particularly interested in Christian opinions, but anyone is welcome.

Firstly, you can say what you've heard about Satanism. And what you think it deals with. Then you can say what you think about Satanists.

This is one of those things that I just don't really think about it. I've heard about Satanism but I don't know the difference between the reality of it and the rumors and stories about it.
 

Curious_Cat

Curious_Athiest
I've read quite a bit about it, starting with Aleister Crowley and the allegations that he was a Satanist, up to Anton LaVey and his "The Satanic Church."

It's always appeared to me to be faddish, as in; "Hey I'm cool, and not a sheep like the rest of you," an announcement that is its primary appeal. If one was sworn to refrain from revealing their membership, I believe it would have died yesterday. It's an ego thing: "Look at how bad I am."

And, I believe that were it not for the fact that it's a bit undergroundish and anti-establishment no one would bother with it.

Just my opinion, of course. ;)

I think you should look into the rituals. I did a fair bit of reading on crowley. You havent even scratched the surface if u havent looked at the grimores..caution use candles not blood
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I've been a Satanist before. It usually was when I was mad at God. Anyway, I tried to come up with my own Satanic theology. It made sense to me but it never took root in the soul level and my spiritual practice was basically non-existent. So this was really no help to me. The problems with Satanism are much the problems with all new religious movements. It has no tradition, no real history and so there is nothing to refer back to and you basically make it all up yourself. It's very isolating, too.

Aside from that, the Satanic "scene" is a pathetic mess. There's a lot of crazies, delusional people, far-right extremists, etc. Some of it is quite scary because fascism and neo-Nazism are both popular with many Satanists. Many Satanists are as close-minded as any religious fundamentalist and many of them are filled with hatred and focus on destruction. There's not much compassion. There's a ton of arrogance and delusional superiority complexes. If you're a psychopath, it's perfect for you. Everyone else, who doesn't manifest psychopathic traits will be ridiculed and outcast as a "fake".

I got sick of it and it wasn't clicking with me, anyway. So I went back to Christianity. Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer as it is.
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Before I move over to talking about Satanism today, I want to point out a couple of things about the Satanic Bible, written by Anton LaVey in 1969. It's divided into a couple of separate books (I'm going to skip over the details, but here's the Wikipedia article to get you started. Reading the actual book is obviously always better), some of which are mostly just aesthetic ritual stuff, but the part in the beginning is what matters.

The Satanic Bible, as I see it, was a counter-reaction to Christianity at the time. Especially stricter Christians advocate several beliefs that are straight out unhealthy for a human being, starting from sexual repression to telling you what you're allowed to do with your life. The Satanic Bible has a lot of dramatic anti-Christianity to it, but it also talks very clearly about how blind belief is harmful for humanity.

For I stand forth to challenge the wisdom of the world; to interrogate the “laws” of man and of “God”!
I request reason for your golden rule and ask the why and wherefore of your ten commandments.
Before none of your printed idols do I bend in acquiescence, and he who saith “thou shalt” to me is my mortal foe!
I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad redeemer, and write over his thorn‐torn brow: The TRUE prince of evil—the king of slaves!
No hoary falsehood shall be a truth to me; no stifling dogma shall encramp my pen!
I break away from all conventions that do not lead to my earthly success and happiness.

No creed must be accepted upon authority of a “divine” nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted—no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!

As you can see, LaVey attacked Christianity very directly and with very harsh words. The purpose of Satanism was never to worship Satan as such, but to fight against the mind control of religion. However, Satan is a strong symbol for rebellion as well as of what Christianity sees as sinful or evil, and was thus a good lead character for a movement like LaVey's. As the Ninth Satanic Statement says, "Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years". LaVey's Satanism was atheistic, even antitheistic, incorporating elements from older occult paths as an symbolic outlet for the values Satanists deemed important. Satanists are known for their blasphemous rituals that have often insulted Christians, like the Black Mass. If you look at the message of the Satanic Bible, that is at least partly what they're supposed to do. Traditional Satanism is a mix of celebrating freedom while at the same time pointing out the true evil in the world, the way religions mistreat the power they have over believers. In the West, this evil has for a long time been Christianity and still is in many countries (e.g. Uganda and homosexuals).

Fast forward to today. Satanism has grown and evolved since LaVey's days, although the angry ex-Christian teenage Satanist stereotype still applies to some people. I think it's an understandable place for many people to land. The beliefs their parents or environment have pushed on them can have caused extreme emotional pain to them, giving them the need to fight back and set themselves apart from their past. After the angry stage some go on to become plain atheists, others find other religions, and some develop their own spirituality where Satan or a similar archetype is a part of their personal symbolism. Satan as a symbol has many meanings and varies from person to person, but it's one many of us know and feel kinship with. Personally I still think that people who move on from the Judeo-Christian faith do themselves a disservice by clinging to symbolism with such a negative connotation. If you borrow someone else's bad guy, you shouldn't complain when they come and believe you to be evil as well.

If we forget about the Christian connections for a while, the core values of Satanism are very similar to those of Paganism and Atheism. Satanists put emphasis on knowledge and personal freedom, which may well sound like selfishness to a person who believes that morality comes from outside the individual. In fact a Satanist takes on the responsibility for their moral actions. Because of the lack of divinely assigned good and evil, they embrace the need to create their own ethics and follow them, not because someone tells them to, but because they want to do the right thing.

This naturally means that every Satanist has their own individual ethical code, and the hedonistic emphasis has always been attractive for those who only think of themselves (or who are straight out psychopaths), in the same way as followers of other religions misuse dogmas to take away the freedom from people around them. It's still rare for a Satanist to truly harm someone, since the Left-Hand Path overall views people in a very positive light. For example Setians, an offshoot of Satanism, have a concept of the Black Flame, a kind of divine spark within every person that represents the potential to grow into better human being. The same theme is visible in Luciferianism (where Lucifer is NOT the same figure as Satan), where the emphasis is on knowledge as a path to "enlightenment".

All in all I don't think it's possible to form an opinion on Satanism and apply it to all who call themselves Satanists. Every Satanist comes from their own background and have their own values, both spiritually and ethically, making it impossible to judge them simply based on their label. Personally while I agree with the core values of Satanism, I dislike the connection it has to Christianity, making Christians easily misjudge what the Left-Hand Path is about: the quest for happiness and personal growth.
 

Reap

New Member
I think Infinitum has just about perfectly hit the nail on the head IMO.I actually joined this forum just because I was so pleased to see someone get it right. I am actually not surprised with any of the ways satanism has been been described in this thread. It is a very misunderstood and often misrepresented belief system some of that is because of the diversity and some because of the way people react to anything involving Satan. The "satanic panic" of the 80's didn't help any either. I'd like to see more people learning about subjects before they voice an opinion. In this day and age it is so easy to learn about almost any subject why not speak from knowledge instead of assumptions?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
If we forget about the Christian connections for a while, the core values of Satanism are very similar to those of Paganism and Atheism. Satanists put emphasis on knowledge and personal freedom, which may well sound like selfishness to a person who believes that morality comes from outside the individual. In fact a Satanist takes on the responsibility for their moral actions. Because of the lack of divinely assigned good and evil, they embrace the need to create their own ethics and follow them, not because someone tells them to, but because they want to do the right thing.
Well, first of all I want to thank you for describing in detail the history of Satanism, the distinction between these two philosophies and their principles .
You were so attentive and informative. Thank you again.

I already knew that Satanists focus on personal freedom, search for knowledge and autonomy These are Christian values too.
But Christianity puts very big limits: the good of mankind and the good of your neighbor, which are the same thing.
So, my personal freedom ends when the neighbor's freedom begins.

What does a Satanist think of this sentence? "Love thy neighbor as much as thyself"
or rather "Love your neighbor even more than yourself, from that to above"
 
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