Oregon school to make condoms available to 6th graders

[Skwim]

Let's set aside your hangup with the word "logistics" in the article and get to the root issues here: . . . .

Or to decipher: Lets talk about the things the Penguin wants to talk about. :sleep:

Most kids in Oregon middle schools are like nineteen anyway.

Ba-da-bing!
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Good one.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

When I was in sixth grade we were not having sex.
This is getting ridiculously over complicated to give them condoms, instead of actually tackling the real problems.

To me, that is like giving kids who refuse to study, cheat sheets.

Instead of teaching, we just take the easy route...
"here yah go, have fun"

Well precocious puberty is on the rise with all the hormonal rage that goes with it. So I would rather we play it safe rather than have pregnant 9 year olds

 

[kashmir]

Would you want your sixth grade daughter pregnant? Just wondering.

I already explained my position, my six grade daughter wouldnt be out running the streets and me not knowing what she is doing.
That is what responsible parenting is.
I wouldnt care if she had a whole case of condoms, she wouldnt be in a position to be using them.

Care to answer the question or not?
Would you give your six grade daughter condoms if she asked from them?

 

[kashmir]

Well precocious puberty is on the rise with all the hormonal rage that goes with it. So I would rather we play it safe rather than have pregnant 9 year olds

Would your 9 year old be allowed that much freedom to even need condoms?
That is the real question, yah know.
Parents today seem to not care where their kids are and what they are doing.

I cant ever seeing myself giving a 9 year old condoms and saying "be home by 11"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I already explained my position, my six grade daughter wouldnt be out running the streets and me not knowing what she is doing.
That is what responsible parenting is.
I wouldnt care if she had a whole case of condoms, she wouldnt be in a position to be using them.

I'm sure that the parents of most sexually active sixth-graders are very surprised when they find out.

Kids are more intelligent than adults often give them credit for, and no parent watches their children 24 hours a day. If they're determined to have sex, they'll find a way.

Care to answer the question or not?
Would you give your six grade daughter condoms if she asked from them?

I think that sexually active sixth-graders should have access to condoms. I think that the parents are often not the best person to give the condoms to them:

- they should be distributed by someone who will do it non-judgmentally. In many (most?) cases, that's not the parent.

- sexual activity at that young an age can be suggestive of a problem, either poor understanding of healthy attention and relationships or a mental health issue. The person who's correcting these misunderstandings or identifying the mental health issues should be someone who's properly trained.

 

[Riverwolf]

Fine with me. At the very least, it gives 6th graders an idea of how they work.

Once, when I was in high school during a sex-ed class, the use of condoms was demonstrated in-class by putting one on a dildo. ^_^

 

[kashmir]

I'm sure that the parents of most sexually active sixth-graders are very surprised when they find out.

Kids are more intelligent than adults often give them credit for, and no parent watches their children 24 hours a day. If they're determined to have sex, they'll find a way.



I think that sexually active sixth-graders should have access to condoms. I think that the parents are often not the best person to give the condoms to them:

- they should be distributed by someone who will do it non-judgmentally. In many (most?) cases, that's not the parent.

- sexual activity at that young an age can be suggestive of a problem, either poor understanding of healthy attention and relationships or a mental health issue. The person who's correcting these misunderstandings or identifying the mental health issues should be someone who's properly trained.

So, you will give your kid condoms, wave bye as they leave the house?
This is what you are saying?

As for a parent being shocked, wow, big shocker, they let their kids run the streets and have no idea how she ended up pregnant...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, you will give your kid condoms, wave bye as they leave the house?
This is what you are saying?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

If you'd like to know what I'm saying, go back and re-read my post more carefully.

As for a parent being shocked, wow, big shocker, they let their kids run the streets and have no idea how she ended up pregnant...

My point was that most parents of sexually active sixth-graders probably sound a lot like you... right up until their kid tells them that they're pregnant or got a girl pregnant.

 

[kashmir]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

If you'd like to know what I'm saying, go back and re-read my post more carefully.

I asked you a simple question, you went all over the place with it.
try again, would you give your six grader condoms and wave bye as she or he leaves the house?

My point was that most parents of sexually active sixth-graders probably sound a lot like you... right up until their kid tells them that they're pregnant or got a girl pregnant.

wrong, my six graders wouldn't be out running the streets.
Part of being a parent involves knowing where your kids are.
Kind of hard for her to get pregnant if she cant come and go as she pleases ehhh?
We are to raise our kids, not let them raise themselves, we set rules, and they follow them.
No kid of mine would be allowed to come and go like a little adult.
They are not adults, they are children.

I would not be the parent that thinks "hmmm wonder where cindy is, hope she isn't with a bad crowd."

Again, my six grader wouldn't have a use for condoms, unless she wants to use them as a balloon.
Anyone that feels the need to give their six grader condoms, obviously gives the kids too much freedom to come and go as they wish.
In my opinion anyway.

 

[YmirGF]

Oh heck, just give out condoms starting in Kindergarten.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Would your 9 year old be allowed that much freedom to even need condoms?
That is the real question, yah know.
Parents today seem to not care where their kids are and what they are doing.

I cant ever seeing myself giving a 9 year old condoms and saying "be home by 11"

When it comes to raging hormones...where there is the will there is a way. No matter how hard you try to up them under lock and key they will find a way. When I was a teen I wasn't much interested in getting knocked-up but then again my parents kept me involved in activities which distracted me from sex and only because we had the means. Not all families are that privileged and they can't keep their children 100% active or under 24/7 surveillance (which is unrealistic). So I say it is better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think if I had kids, I would forbid the counselor to give them condoms.

Very tricky situations can result from this.

I was a counsellor. Kids came in, complained about their parents being abusive. I called social services. Two days later parents told me I could no longer counsel their kids. The next time the kids came with bruises the principal called the police.

So it's tricky. I would hope there would be better communication always, but unfortunately there isn't. Each case is different. In this particular case, if you read the news reports, versus the headlines about it, there is a lot of information going amiss. For example:

- one small school district, 4 schools, 1000 students, teacher/counsellor training on the subject.

In my experience, Very few kids (more likely to be girls) are sexually active in Grade 6 but some are. Generally the parents were oblivious or naive or just not there. Who would you rather have that child talk to .. a trained teacher/counsellor, or their older sexually active brother/sister/friend?

 

[kashmir]

When it comes to raging hormones...where there is the will there is a way. No matter how hard you try to up them under lock and key they will find a way. When I was a teen I wasn't much interested in getting knocked-up but then again my parents kept me involved in activities which distracted me from sex and only because we had the means. Not all families are that privileged and they can't keep their children 100% active or under 24/7 surveillance (which is unrealistic). So I say it is better to be safe than sorry.

It is not keeping them active that is the issue, it is not allowing them to run the streets that is the main point I am making.
It doesn't take a dime to forbid middle school kids from leaving the yard, does it?
It is a parents duty to know where their kids are 24/7, there is no excuse to not know where ones kids are.
If they cant handle that, they need not have kids.

I am not talking about 16-18 I am talking about sixth graders up to 16 years old.
Around 16 is when we should start giving them extra freedoms, not at 6th grade, so again, there is no need for 6th graders to have condoms, if the parents give them that much freedom to warrant condoms, that is the problem right there in a nutshell.
In my perspective, in my world.

Plus, because kids go missing every few mins in USA alone, because of sicko's, I wouldn't let my middle school kids run the streets anyway.

Very tricky situations can result from this.

I was a counsellor. Kids came in, complained about their parents being abusive. I called social services. Two days later parents told me I could no longer counsel their kids. The next time the kids came with bruises the principal called the police.

I said that i would not allow the counselor to give my sixth grader condoms, I didnt say they couldnt talk to them, did I?
Read what I said about my perspective on why my sixth grader would have no use for them anyway.
Unless schools allow them to have sex during class?
Exactly, my kids would be at home, not out running the streets, hard to be having sex when one cant run the streets, ehhh?

 

[Willamena]

Well. It seem like a step in the right direction if the girls are actually getting pregnant there.

An even if they're not.

 

[Willamena]

Well precocious puberty is on the rise with all the hormonal rage that goes with it. So I would rather we play it safe rather than have pregnant 9 year olds

I'm not sure why the conversation abruptly switched to children of grade 3.

 

[kashmir]

I'm not sure why the conversation abruptly switched to children of grade 3.

It's possible, plenty of parents could give a hoot what even their 9 year olds are doing or who they hang with.
"just be home by 9"

Not this guy.

Every day I walk to the store, I see very young kids out and about, groups of them walking the streets, from 6 years old on up...
That is the problem right there, mom and dad are too busy to even care what their kids are doing, who they are hanging with...etc

 

[Vinayaka]

I said that i would not allow the counselor to give my sixth grader condoms, I didnt say they couldnt talk to them, did I?
Read what I said about my perspective on why my sixth grader would have no use for them anyway.

I wasn't talking about your kids at all, but the kids who don't have adequate parenting, which, in the case of single parents, or parents with low income jobs, can be very difficult. There is a tremendous variety of circumstance. As a counselor, I was concerned about ALL the kids.

 

[kashmir]

I wasn't talking about your kids at all, but the kids who don't have adequate parenting, which, in the case of single parents, or parents with low income jobs, can be very difficult. There is a tremendous variety of circumstance. As a counselor, I was concerned about ALL the kids.

I know, I grew up in poverty and still in poverty.
When I stayed in an "abandoned house", two small kids hung around me all day and I fed them what little I had, because mommy and daddy was heroin addicts, the kids got locked out in the morning and wasn't allowed back in until dinner at night.
I had run a homemade electric cord from the neighbors to my house.
I would let them play on my laptop on the porch all day.

I had a small yard sale once, and this guy stopped to buy a car battery I had out, apparently he took notice, the next day he showed up with a whole van full of food for the kids.
Total shocker.
I ended up arrested for living in the house, got the charges dropped and when I went back, the parents had taken all the food and traded it for drugs.
What was left, was being horded from the kids.
Needless to say, they are both in prison on drug charges, or were and got out, this was a few years back, dont talk to them, nor seen them.
I heard the kids went with gramma, not sure though.

Lol, I heard they tore the house apart trying to find my laptop.
I took it with me to jail, it got stored as part of my property.
Cops were pretty cool about it, had no choice but to take me in.
But I knew the owner of the house, she got the whole thing thrown out.

 

[Nymphs]

When I was in sixth grade we were not having sex.

How old are you?

How many years has it been since you've been in 6th grade??
And do you really think that everyone is like you

This is getting ridiculously over complicated to give them condoms, instead of actually tackling the real problems.

How is making them available ridiculous?

To me, that is like giving kids who refuse to study, cheat sheets.

Uh, how? Instead of getting STD's (which are highest among young teenagers), these students can protect themselves from pregnancy and STD's. I'm not sure how this is a problem -- or how it even remotely relates to your stretched analogy.

Instead of teaching, we just take the easy route...
"here yah go, have fun"

I don't think you understand kids/teenagers very well. :cover:

 

[Nymphs]

Maybe they should offer vasectomies, too.