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Origin of life
- Thread starter FearGod
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The fans of evolution based on time (billions of years ) , so their God basicly is the Time .
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Where did god come from?
Nothing can exist eternally, as time is a progressive variable.
No one truly knows, nor is likely to. We can make guesses and attempt to find evidence for their viability, but ultimately we just don't know.
Which is not to say that it is necessary difficult to imagine how it may have arisen, or to evidence or even reproduce how it may have arisen. It does not even necessarily mean that not knowing for sure is very meaningful.
Also, it must be noted that whether there was a divine will creating life is at least arguably a separate question. Even if we knew for a fact that such a Creator exists, that is still not the same as knowing how it happened.
Logically, it must have arisen out of chemical reactions from existing matter. It is not nearly as unlikely as some people seem to think it to be.
I suppose you may propose that it was created whole by a divine power, but that is in essence appealling to a miracle and therefore outside the scope of logical explanations, IMO.
That comes with the very nature of DNA, actually. It is adjustable because it is unstable and quite "dumb".
Evolution does not refer to any gods, mainly because it never needs to. It does not really deal with the origin of life either.
Maybe you mean that those of us who see no need to believe that life was created by God explain the origin of life by resorting to the passage of time instead?
If so, then there is something to it. You might also mention chemistry and quantity of matter besides time, though.
Chemistry is very impressive. It is truly wonderful how many interesting things can and do happen with matter when it reacts under various conditions in various combinations. Nor is that empty speculation, either: we have learned a lot about chemistry and use it to very good effect.
From a scientific standpoint, life itself is a magnificent prodigy of chemical reactions. It is of course arguable that it is only part of it, but the chemical framework of life is plenty well established and there is no good reason to doubt that it may have arisen and gained complexity along time.
Of course, not everyone will agree on that, but that is ok.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I think the reason some people struggle with evolution is because they simply cannot imagine these geological time scales.
Or they have no understanding of simple scientific concepts.
"Fans of evolution" have no intrinsic God of anything. Some might be religious (Hindu, Sikh, Christian or whatever) and still be "a fan of" Evolution. Some might be atheist. Also there are religions which literally have a God/s of time. Now what?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That too sometimes. Or the wish not to understand, but just to criticise.
Acintya_Ash
Bhakta
GOD!
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
But God is a form of life too, so where did he come from?
Haha that's a good answer!
I suppose I'd say, life always was. It has no origin other than itself.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's turtles all the way down.
Acintya_Ash
Bhakta
God has no OriginBut God is a form of life too, so where did he come from?
perhaps it'd be better to consider Life as beginningless."Just as the roots themselves have no roots, so the cause of all things is itself causeless"
If I may, I think a parallel with the origin of the stars might apply.
At one point we had little to no clue of how they originated. We do now. That in no way whatsoever implies that there is no creator God, far as I can see.
Astronomy is a real and useful discipline. It gives answers. It is reliable. And it is by no means an attack on theism.
Other than the object of study being of course different, much the same can be said of biology, for much the same reasons.
At one point we had little to no clue of how they originated. We do now. That in no way whatsoever implies that there is no creator God, far as I can see.
Astronomy is a real and useful discipline. It gives answers. It is reliable. And it is by no means an attack on theism.
Other than the object of study being of course different, much the same can be said of biology, for much the same reasons.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
We don't, for certain, know. Yet.
However...not knowing isn't evidence that there was a God behind it. It just means that we don't know yet. Science doesn't have all the answers. If it did, there would be no point to science.
As Luis said, we once didn't know how Stars were born, now we do. Moreover, we once didn't know what made a rainbow happen (and thusly attributed it to god) but now we know how rainbows are made.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I'm an amateur astronomer, and the views are awe-inspiring. For me it makes human notions of God look small and inadequate.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed. I sense though that the God of the gaps is feeling increasingly claustrophobic.