Origin of life

[LuisDantas]

I'm an amateur astronomer, and the views are awe-inspiring. For me it makes human notions of God look small and inadequate.

But would you say that it encourages you to be an atheist? Somehow I don't really think they do.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

But would you say that it encourages you to be an atheist? Somehow I don't really think they do.

Looking through a telescope doesn't encourage me to be a theist. That would be somehow limiting the view.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

Nothing can exist eternally, as time is a progressive variable.

So Time existed eternally? Are you suggesting that?

 

[LuisDantas]

Looking through a telescope doesn't encourage me to be a theist. That would be somehow limiting the view.

Darn universe, challenging God like that!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Darn universe, challenging God like that!

Yes, the rot really set in when they discovered the earth wasn't the centre of the universe after all.

When I'm looking out through my telescope at deep space objects I sometimes get this overwhelming urge to go out there, I really wish there was a handy starship, like "Beam me aboard, Scotty!"

 

[FearGod]

Where did god come from?
Nothing can exist eternally, as time is a progressive variable.

I ain't looking for straw man arguments, but scientific and logical ones.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Hi FearGod,
I believe in both. Evolution AND a God who controls the process.

What is your faith in God when you don't directly refer to decisions made by God?

 

[FearGod]

By chance


Please dont ask such simple questions again. Please ask me some challenging questions next time.

They asked me to study biology to understand what i want to understand about life, but i stopped at this point and hope some will have a scientific answer for it than chances, coincidences and that is how things happened to be.

 

[Jumi]

If you study biology and chemistry the science will make more sense to you, guaranteed.

 

[Ultimatum]

So Time existed eternally? Are you suggesting that?

I'm suggesting the absolute opposite. What is being implied by many theists, like the OP, is that time exists eternally--when, clearly, it does not.

I ain't looking for straw man arguments, but scientific and logical ones.

It's not a strawman. You believe that time existed eternally--that is what is encompassed in your religion. Your implications is that origins can't come from nothing--yet you embrace such an idea yourself.

 

[FearGod]

Logically, it must have arisen out of chemical reactions from existing matter. It is not nearly as unlikely as some people seem to think it to be.

I suppose you may propose that it was created whole by a divine power, but that is in essence appealling to a miracle and therefore outside the scope of logical explanations, IMO.

Do you think a matter existing out of nothing isn't equivalent to magic, how that can be logic to you.
Do you think it is a natural thing that matter to exist without the need for anything to cause it and just to exist out of nothingness.

That comes with the very nature of DNA, actually. It is adjustable because it is unstable and quite "dumb".

Do you think we are the product of a dumb DNA and the inanimate stones ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you think a matter existing out of nothing isn't equivalent to magic, how that can be logic to you.

You tell me.

Matter exists. That much I know.

That it arose "out of nothing", that I do not know. Do you?

Do you think it is a natural thing that matter to exist without the need for anything to cause it and just to exist out of nothingness.

I never had reason to ask such a question. I don't think anyone truly does.

Do you think we are the product of a dumb DNA and the inanimate stones ?

I still don't understand what you mean by stones here, but of course we are the product of dumb DNA. You might as well ask whether we are made of matter.

Whether there is something else beyond that, now that is another question entirely, one which will come down largely to a matter of personal interpretation.

 

[FearGod]

But God is a form of life too, so where did he come from?

How could you know what is God ?
Knowing life and stones doesn't mean that this is all what exist, but that is only what knowledge we got.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

How could you know what is God ?

How could anyone?

 

[FearGod]

Haha that's a good answer!
I suppose I'd say, life always was. It has no origin other than itself.

Some people just pretend to believe in God while atheist by heart.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

time exists eternally--when, clearly, it does not.

How can you say Time had an origin? Origins are created for convenience, they're purely conceptual, they don't exist in an Absolute sense.
IMO As long as there's mind there will be Time.

Ramana Maharshi says " What is time? It posits a state, one's recognition of it, and also the changes which affect it. The interval between two states is called time. A state cannot come into being unless the mind calls it into existence. The mind must be held by the Self. If the mind is not made use of there is no concept of time. Time and space are in the mind but one's true state lies beyond the mind. The question of time does not arise at all to the one established in one's true nature."

 

[Rick O'Shez]

IMO As long as there's mind there will be Time.

So then mind must have existed since the big bang. What does that mind look like?

 

[FearGod]

We don't, for certain, know. Yet.

However...not knowing isn't evidence that there was a God behind it. It just means that we don't know yet. Science doesn't have all the answers. If it did, there would be no point to science.

As Luis said, we once didn't know how Stars were born, now we do. Moreover, we once didn't know what made a rainbow happen (and thusly attributed it to god) but now we know how rainbows are made.

Stars didn't come from nothingness, where did the dust come from ? the supernovae of another star, and how the first stars formed before any dust or matter exist, so again we did know nothing but only we pretend that we know everything.

 

[LuisDantas]

Some people just pretend to believe in God while atheist by heart.

One wonders why some people keep attempting to pressure us into belief. It just does not make any sense.

 

[LuisDantas]

Stars didn't come from nothingness, where did the dust come from ? the supernovae of another star, and how the first stars formed before any dust or matter exist, so again we did know nothing but only we pretend that we know everything.

We know quite a little. Why do you expect people to pretend otherwise?