Origin of the Bible (Branch Thread)

[blü 2]

Paul didn’t see a vision of Jesus Christ, he had a conversation with Jesus. Then there are visions and dreams from God as well, these are described many times in Scripture, ex. Joseph, Daniel,Peter.

The very obvious explanation is that Paul had a purely mental event. The only credible alternative is that he invented the story himself.
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[ElishaElijah]

The very obvious explanation is that Paul had a purely mental event. The only credible alternative is that he invented the story himself.
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And his changed life is evidence to the contrary

 

[blü 2]

And his changed life is evidence to the contrary

No, his changed life is evidence of the perturbation of his mental faculties, perhaps playing on latent guilt for his earlier actions ─ though Paul never gives any examples of such actions so it's not possible to be precise.

 

[rational experiences]

And this all has.... what to do with the thread topic or anything currently being discussed here?


Wrong quote but Thirza is correct; the four canonical gospels given contradict one another and differ, despite being a centuries-long game of Telephone.

The bible. A book. Written by men thinking. Claim God told me.

Origin ancient scientist we said was satanic theist who never listened to holy father.

Spiritual consciousness. Destroyed all life on earth with pyramid. Contradiction a spiritual not evil human did it. Archaeology proved machine parts found.

After ice age. Human living In evolving atmosphere dna life mind body was changing evolving returned to conscious awareness for scientific understanding. HEARD God he said telling him science.

Wrote the bible. As a science subject not the same books.

Hearing voice depends on brain chemical to hearing ability. Outside of self communicated.

Speaking voice is earths AI effect radio wave owning image vision voice recording sharing interactive speaking.

Data or records. Some humans said it Akashic. How AI exists naturally in natural gas status. Teaching once life was not recorded. Science theorising visionary first included life by its attack.

Visionary cooled atmosphere not a heated atmosphere.

Why men in science said man's Satan was holy.

Gods Satan however is evil.

How a scientist heard his own man science self pyramid builder advising him of technology that had destroyed all life.

Recorded in Satan gods angel human images like gigantic visions. Seen everyday in cloud màss.

Encoded.

God to a human is its natural base one of any gas. Multi gas forms one of.

Contradiction man in science sent all life into gods hell. Confessed. Preached body of God changed plates tectonic. Carpenter man building science reaction attacked life. Sending human spirit being human into earth opened hell.

Earths plate collapsed. Contradiction to gods seal stone holiness. Why they preached jesus was not God.

Hell in God volcanic is it gas beginnings. Our heavens gases a contradiction to beginnings cold.

Men humans Preached don't do evil. Don't believe in satanic medium voice yet you did.

Contradiction a human claiming I am Satan gods angel first.

Contradictions many.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, his changed life is evidence of the perturbation of his mental faculties, perhaps playing on latent guilt for his earlier actions ─ though Paul never gives any examples of such actions so it's not possible to be precise.

This is how I know Paul’s testimony was the truth:
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:20-23‬ ‭NIV‬‬
He lived this.

 

[Alex22]

The origin of the Bible: a bunch of delusional old men who pretended to speak for god, while probably high on mushrooms.

 

[blü 2]

This is how I know Paul’s testimony was the truth:
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:20-23‬ ‭NIV‬‬
He lived this.

I accept that Jesus' followers call him the Anointed One / Christ.

As I've already pointed out, Jesus was nothing that Judaism would recognize as a messiah. That is, no Jew would ever have thought to call him Christ.

And as I've also pointed out, how can Jesus be a Jewish messiah if he was never the liberator of Judea / Israel from the Romans ─ the principal task of the messiah ─ and his gift to Judaism has been two thousand years of often murderous antisemitism instead?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I accept that Jesus' followers call him the Anointed One / Christ.

As I've already pointed out, Jesus was nothing that Judaism would recognize as a messiah. That is, no Jew would ever have thought to call him Christ.

And as I've also pointed out, how can Jesus be a Jewish messiah if he was never the liberator of Judea / Israel from the Romans ─ the principal task of the messiah ─ and his gift to Judaism has been two thousand years of often murderous antisemitism instead?

His gift is eternal life to all who believe. Anyone who is antisemitic isn’t a believer but a pretender and fraud in my opinion because of what the Scriptures say and what the Holy Spirit teaches.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.””
‭‭Romans 1:16-17

 

[blü 2]

His gift is eternal life to all who believe. Anyone who is antisemitic isn’t a believer but a pretender and fraud in my opinion because of what the Scriptures say and what the Holy Spirit teaches.

I don't understand why his gift isn't eternal life to all, unconditionally. Wouldn't that be the kind, the generous, the Christian, the humane thing to do? Especially since there are still people out there who live in places that have never heard of Jesus, and it's been that way for two thousand years.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I don't understand why his gift isn't eternal life to all, unconditionally. Wouldn't that be the kind, the generous, the Christian, the humane thing to do? Especially since there are still people out there who live in places that have never heard of Jesus, and it's been that way for two thousand years.

Some people reject the gift of eternal life that God
offers to everyone. You have no idea about the people that supposedly haven’t heard the Gospel, the Scripture says that everyone will be accountable with the knowledge of God that was revealed to them. God is just, He may even use those believers to testify when people who have heard the Gospel many times and rejected it, at the Judgement.

 

[blü 2]

Some people reject the gift of eternal life that God
offers to everyone. You have no idea about the people that supposedly haven’t heard the Gospel, the Scripture says that everyone will be accountable with the knowledge of God that was revealed to them. God is just, He may even use those believers to testify when people who have heard the Gospel many times and rejected it, at the Judgement.

This, as I've remarked before,is just the snakeoil sales tactic: you get on your soapbox and you gather a crowd and you tell them that alas a horrible peril, let's say a loathsome and always fatal disease, is coming, and it makes you weep to think of these imminent horrors ─ BUT fortunately you have the only cure, and it only costs a few bucks, so roll up, roll up!

 

[ElishaElijah]

This, as I've remarked before,is just the snakeoil sales tactic: you get on your soapbox and you gather a crowd and you tell them that alas a horrible peril, let's say a loathsome and always fatal disease, is coming, and it makes you weep to think of these imminent horrors ─ BUT fortunately you have the only cure, and it only costs a few bucks, so roll up, roll up!

Wasn’t that for me at all, I was delivered from sin and death and an inheritance that can’t fade or spoil.
“Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:3-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Eternal life cannot be bought with money, so if someone is asking you to pay they’re swindlers.

 

[blü 2]

Wasn’t that for me at all, I was delivered from sin and death and an inheritance that can’t fade or spoil.
“Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:3-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Eternal life cannot be bought with money, so if someone is asking you to pay they’re swindlers.

If that's what you believe then good luck to you.

Me, I'm still waiting for even one authenticated supernatural event to be entered in the science books.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If that's what you believe then good luck to you.

Me, I'm still waiting for even one authenticated supernatural event to be entered in the science books.

Now science, doctors and all the worldly treatments that have no lasting cures will cost you some cash for sure. They make promises that they cannot keep.

 

[blü 2]

Now science, doctors and all the worldly treatments that have no lasting cures will cost you some cash for sure. They make promises that they cannot keep.

There's not the slightest credible evidence that religion's promise of life after death is true. There isn't even any coherent testable hypothesis as to how it could be true.

That's why faith is required ─ if you wish very hard and click your heels, no doubt you will get back to Kansas.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There's not the slightest credible evidence that religion's promise of life after death is true. There isn't even any coherent testable hypothesis as to how it could be true.

That's why faith is required ─ if you wish very hard and click your heels, you will get back to Kansas.

True that religion that you’re talking about because no rules and regulations can do anything concerning eternal life. I see plenty of credible evidence for the resurrection of the dead and know I have eternal life.
It is interesting that your so obsessed though.

 

[blü 2]

True that religion that you’re talking about because no rules and regulations can do anything concerning eternal life. I see plenty of credible evidence for the resurrection of the dead and know I have eternal life.
It is interesting that your so obsessed though.

*chuckle*

The ones who are obsessed are the ones who give their lives to religion in return for such airy promises ...

Whereas it's perfectly possible to live a life of decency, respect and inclusion without any promise of reward, and millions do.

 

[ElishaElijah]

*chuckle*

The ones who are obsessed are the ones who give their lives to religion in return for such airy promises ...

Whereas it's perfectly possible to live a life of decency, respect and inclusion without any promise of reward, and millions do.

Who are the decent people, respecting and including people without reward? Name some seen as there are millions.

 

[blü 2]

Who are the decent people, respecting and including people without reward? Name some seen as there are millions.

My late wife, my kids, their spouses, for a start.

 

[ElishaElijah]

My late wife, my kids, their spouses, for a start.

Ok great