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Origins of Christianity: Is it the "White Man's Religion"...?

It is how my mother is introducing it to me... I am african american. And she makes it out to seem like Christianty was created by white people and it is for them. And they stole a lot of their ideas from "our people." I'm sorry if I cam across as racist. I was trying to get my conflicted ideas and feelings across.

Christianity was created and followed initially by ethnic Jews. It was solidified by emperor Constantine as the official Roman religion and became a predominantly European religion from then until the new world conquests where it spread to other ethnicities as well as the English empire spreading it to Asia.

So to answer your question it was a prominent "White Religion" till about 500 years ago.

As far as Whites stealing a lot of ideas from Africans.... really?!!? Research the islands of Haiti and Iceland.
 
It isn't just for whites, never was. If anything it was only for Jews since Jesus said he came only for "the lost sheep of Israel".


Yes! There is a big problem with that?

So do you have a big problem with Judaism being only for ethnic Jews? Or is it only racist when it pertains to Whites?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It isn't just for whites, never was. If anything it was only for Jews since Jesus said he came only for "the lost sheep of Israel".




So do you have a big problem with Judaism being only for ethnic Jews? Or is it only racist when it pertains to Whites?
Judaism isn't only for ethnic Jews, though.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well one thing is clear and obvious, is ethnicity factors in the reception of Christianity by numerous adherents.

White folks all but literally hijacked a Middle Eastern religion's source of ethnicity, and eagerly replaced it with their own European trait for which came borne one of the biggest misrepresentations and blatant falsehoods lying with the depicted skin color of Jesus, the central foundation of a religion supposedly centered on it's alleged truth translates as a horrible contradiction of the core of their faith exposing a bias on racial preferences for likely no other reason that perhaps "Whiteness" reflected a better acceptance than one of another ethnicity that could affect Christianity's appeal in a predominantly white society.

I'm inclined to agree that in aspects of how Christianity is depicted, could very well be viewed as a white mans religion based on how it's presented.

In my experiences I personally only came across two black Jesus's and only one as an Arabic depiction during my tenure as a Christian. For the most part, I never thought of modern depictions as being a racial (hate) issue by the majority of people I've come across anyway, but I woulld think Christendom should endevear to be focused on details of ethnic origin. That is, a savior of Middle Eastern descent would be best to settle it all.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
It is how my mother is introducing it to me... I am african american. And she makes it out to seem like Christianty was created by white people and it is for them. And they stole a lot of their ideas from "our people." I'm sorry if I cam across as racist. I was trying to get my conflicted ideas and feelings across.

1. I would highly recommend resisting the concept of "white people/black people" in your mind. The concept reinforces unhealthy Tribalism, which can potentially lead to disasters. (I know it can be hard; I live in a fairly homogenous town, so it's something I've been struggling with for quite some time; not so much the terms themselves, but the idea that African-Americans, among some others, are somehow "different".)
2. Christianity is NOT a European religion. It has its origins in the Middle East, and gained popularity in Europe for a variety of historical reasons. European religions include Asatru, Hellenism, Druidry, Religio Romana, etc, and regional Euro-Christianity still retains many elements of these(there are some Christian groups trying to remove them, though).
3. Africa is a BIG place. Having ancestry there doesn't necessarily mean you have ancestral ties to the Egyptians. I understand that most African Americans are descended from Sub-Saharan Africans, though I could be wrong.
4. Skin color is incredibly arbitrary. Until about 6,000 years ago, Europeans were as dark-skinned as Egyptians; the reason we have lighter skin now is because that's better for absorbing vitamin D in the low-sunlight conditions of Northern Europe(long Winter nights combined with lots and lots of rain and fog throughout the year). It's a bad measure of who one's "people" are, especially since there's a lot of people with different ancestries. My "people", that is, my ethnic ancestors, are three: the Irish, British, and Greeks: all European, but all very distinct.
5. Just because a religion has its origins in a region you don't have ancestry in doesn't mean it's something you shouldn't follow. I followed Hinduism for a few years back, and I don't have a drop of Indian blood in me. Plenty of the Hindus on this forum are the same way. I don't anymore for personal reasons, but the fact that I'm not ethnically Indian had nothing to do with it. I recommend looking up information about the Ethiopian Christian Church if you've never heard of it.

To close, I will present two hypothetical people, one European and one African. Both identify as Christian. (This example is a modified form of something I heard from an Asatruar once, here applied to Christianity, instead.)
The European goes to Church on Sunday, recites the Lord's Prayer every night, but other than that, spends most of the time preaching about how Christianity is for the White Man.
The African also goes to Church on Sunday and recites the Lord's Prayer every night, but also spends a lot of time giving to charity, working hard to keep a homeless shelter running, and doesn't retaliate against insults.
Now, you tell me: which of these two people is doing a better job of following Christ's teachings?
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I'm not sure what is troubling you, dd912. But I think it may be helpful to be well aware that Christianity means different things to different people, often to fully clashing extent.

It is ok to simply choose a side of your own.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I am finding myself very wary of posting this thread in fear of negative backlash but I am very curious to know others opinion of this topic. My mom has introduced well... more like forced me to watch multiples videos about the origins of Christianity. I even had to do a paper on it. Anyway.. a condense version of what I have learned that the Christianity is not a original religion. It has roots in many other cultures, non European cultures. The cultures include Sumeria, Babylon, and Egyptian references some more obvious then other. What I remember off the top of my head is the similarities between Aset (Isis) and Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. Also Jesus and Horus. I can go into that if anyone would like me to. That is not to say I am an expert at that, I am NOT.

I am asking this because I recently went to a women's christian fellowship thingy with my step-mom and I was very moved by what went on... But I have a hard time with accepting Christianity when I have the things like "White Man's Religion" "The Patchwork Religion" running through my mind. Those aren't the reason I find it difficult to accept but those are the currents issues at the moment.

/watch?v=oWjmbEglYk4
Just add it to the end of the youtube.com/insert it here... I can't add url's yet... bummer.

That is one of the things she had me watch.. or something similar by the same guy. It's "Ray Hagins: What is Christianity" for anyone who doesn't trust urls. I would really love to have someone else's opinion on this. I am pretty confused by all this...


Hello,


You are correct, it does have features of many religions.


And - people drag others to "Intense" "religious experiences" to trigger exactly the emotions you felt.


ALL cults do this.


Study all the religions and make up your own mind - which - if any - you wish to follow.


Don't let anyone force you into a religion.



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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
FULL DISCLOSURE: I AM A CULTURAL CHRISTIAN WHITE ATHEIST

I've always seen Christianity as the white man's religion. When I was young, I thought it was clever of nonwhite peoples to adopt it. But I also thought it would be clever of Canada and Mexico to become US states, because we were obviously better:eek:
I was young, so don't hit me.

Looking out now, I can see why black people here would adopt it. Not only did it give them a smidgen of security from self-righteous whites, but it also promised a better life after death than they were going to get in the USA.

Why modern black USonians stick to the religion of the massas is hard for me to understand. But then, why modern people stick to old religions is hard for me to understand. I just made up my own and don't really even believe that one, exactly.

Tom
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
People don't usually choose not to be able of blending in if they can help it.

While Christianity has often been used to push "whiteish" agendas, it is easily enough adopted by people of any ethnic background.

And for most people much of its appeal has been the perception that it creates links of mutual trust.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
The people who say that Christianity is a rip-off or patchwork of other religions and that Jesus is a composite or the same as figures from myth are usually quite ignorant of what the other mythologies actually teach. It's not true.

Christianity was started by Middle Eastern Jews. They would've been short, have brown eyes, brown hair, light brown skin and curly hair. One of the very first Gentile converts to Christianity was a black Ethiopian man.

This is closest to what Jesus would've looked like:

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He was not a white Northern European looking man!

Ray Hagins is a racist fool.



Unless one believes the "other" story, that he was Yeshu ben Pantera. Perhaps Pantera was a blonde haired and blue eyed Roman. :shrug:


According to some of the Jewish sources, he was the son of 'Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, an archer, who in 9 c.e. was transferred to service in Germany where he died.

Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BC &#8211; AD 40) was a Roman soldier, his tombstone was found in 1859, in Bingerbrück, Germany.


Edit - blue - LOL!

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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Unless one believes the "other" story, that he was Yeshu ben Pantera. Perhaps Pantera was a blonde haired and blood eyed Roman. :shrug:


According to some of the Jewish sources, he was the son of 'Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, an archer, who in 9 c.e. was transferred to service in Germany where he died.

Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BC &#8211; AD 40) was a Roman soldier, his tombstone was found in 1859, in Bingerbrück, Germany.

That's a lie the Jews made up to insult Him and His Mother.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well one thing is clear and obvious, is ethnicity factors in the reception of Christianity by numerous adherents.

White folks all but literally hijacked a Middle Eastern religion's source of ethnicity, and eagerly replaced it with their own European trait for which came borne one of the biggest misrepresentations and blatant falsehoods lying with the depicted skin color of Jesus, the central foundation of a religion supposedly centered on it's alleged truth translates as a horrible contradiction of the core of their faith exposing a bias on racial preferences for likely no other reason that perhaps "Whiteness" reflected a better acceptance than one of another ethnicity that could affect Christianity's appeal in a predominantly white society.

I'm inclined to agree that in aspects of how Christianity is depicted, could very well be viewed as a white mans religion based on how it's presented.

In my experiences I personally only came across two black Jesus's and only one as an Arabic depiction during my tenure as a Christian. For the most part, I never thought of modern depictions as being a racial (hate) issue by the majority of people I've come across anyway, but I woulld think Christendom should endevear to be focused on details of ethnic origin. That is, a savior of Middle Eastern descent would be best to settle it all.
i don't think that's fair. Certainly Xy has had a bad go with imperialism (in my opinion, the worst thing that could have happened to Xy!), but on the whole, people have been allowed to see Jesus as they want to see him. There are many instances where Jesus is depicted as black, Hispanic, Mediterranean, Judaic, as well as white. Plus, even when white Europe had "appropriated the faith," they never, ever cast Jesus, himself as white or European. Jesus was always cast as Judean. The stories about Jesus never changed.

While there's no doubt that Xy as most of us know it is both white and American (or European), because that's the predominant culture in which Xy has flourished within recent memory, it's also just as true that Xy is growing in black Africa, and is taking on characteristics of that culture -- just as it took on traits of Greek culture when it flourished among the early Gentiles.

Admittedly, it can be difficult for a black woman to embrace the predominant religious culture, but, then again, there is the burgeoning perspective of womanist theology. The great thing about Xy is that it can slip very easily from context to context, precisely because it isn't culturally-imbedded.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
Unless one believes the "other" story, that he was Yeshu ben Pantera. Perhaps Pantera was a blonde haired and blood eyed Roman.


According to some of the Jewish sources, he was the son of 'Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, an archer, who in 9 c.e. was transferred to service in Germany where he died.

Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BC – AD 40) was a Roman soldier, his tombstone was found in 1859, in Bingerbrück, Germany.
That's a lie the Jews made up to insult Him and His Mother.


Just one problem with that - they gave his name - and said he was stationed there at the time - then transferred to Germany.


His Name and Gravestone were found in Germany in 1859, - and he was originally stationed there - at the right time - before being transferred to Germany.



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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Just one problem with that - they gave his name - and said he was stationed there at the time - then transferred to Germany.


His Name and Gravestone were found in Germany in 1859, - and he was originally stationed there - at the right time - before being transferred to Germany.

So? Him being a real person doesn't make it true. I already know about this, anyway.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Just one problem with that - they gave his name - and said he was stationed there at the time - then transferred to Germany.


His Name and Gravestone were found in Germany in 1859, - and he was originally stationed there - at the right time - before being transferred to Germany.



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I have no particular reason to believe this, but it is certainly more likely than a virgin birth.

Tom
 
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