Origins of Christianity: Is it the "White Man's Religion"...?

[Nakosis]

There's every reason to bring race (and sex) into it, because white males have held the Faith in a stranglehold of privilege and power for so long. The OP's poor mother has been browbeat by the system into believing that the resulting twisting of the Faith is "the Way It Is." The message need to be put out there that Xy does, indeed, belong to the black woman.

Personally I prefer skin color blindness. I'd think the message should be that Christianity is available to and belongs to everyone.

If we continue to promote differentiation because of skin color, everyone else will as well.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is how my mother is introducing it to me... I am african american. And she makes it out to seem like Christianty was created by white people and it is for them. And they stole a lot of their ideas from "our people." I'm sorry if I cam across as racist. I was trying to get my conflicted ideas and feelings across.

Your mother is right. Modern Christianity is made in Rome by Paul and the Church.
Jesus was a Jew; he was never a Christian. Jesus had no history of going to any Church; whenever he went for worship he went to a Jewish temple.

Jesus did not believe that the religion he believed was for non-Jewish people.

Regards

 

[sojourner]

How exactly would my post be a conspiracy theory?


Everything was written after the fact. We don't know what is correct.


What I wrote is just another idea - which uses the Jewish information on the subject.


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Basically - the idea that the people reeling under the Roman Yoke, and yearning for the awaited Messiah - may have decided to use their Old religious practice - of Sacred Sex - to bring him about, - by finding a perfect Virgin - and a perfect male to represent God -in an attempt to bring to birth - The Messiah - The Son of God.

Speculation about clandestine manipulation of the religious system is as conspiracy theory as the "Illuminati."

 

[sojourner]

Personally I prefer skin color blindness. I'd think the message should be that Christianity is available to and belongs to everyone.

If we continue to promote differentiation because of skin color, everyone else will as well.

Skin color-blindness eclipses, though, a color that has been largely invisible already. When statements such as, "belongs to everyone" are used, there's generally an implied, parenthetical, "As long as they look and talk like me" hard on its tail. The invisible color needs to be put in the foreground and made very visible, so that it won't continue to be eclipsed.

 

[sojourner]

Your mother is right. Modern Christianity is made in Rome by Paul and the Church.
Jesus was a Jew; he was never a Christian. Jesus had no history of going to any Church; whenever he went for worship he went to a Jewish temple.

Jesus did not believe that the religion he believed was for non-Jewish people.

Regards

Stop it Right. Now. You're absolutely dead wrong here, and you're going to further confuse someone who's already confused enough. Let the professionals handle it (IOW: the people who know what they're talking about).

 

[roger1440]

Jesus did not believe that the religion he believed was for non-Jewish people.
Regards

Can you quote a verse please?

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm going on the philosophy of liberal education and the advent of the white man's projection of power on the rest of the world provided by such an education.

The public schools I went to were quite liberal, and incredibly supportive of egalitarian philosophy, so I'm not so sure the liberal side of the coin, at least as far as education goes, still does that. (It's still quite American-nationalist, though.)

I think we both refer to different things with the word "liberal", though.

That Christianity is a "white man's religion" adopted by neo-fascist groups in the U.S. and historically among Western Europe would be another argument showing how both extremes of thought adopt such and attitude.

I haven't seen it in the extreme left (communism).

 

[dd912]

I am currently at a stand still but I am thankful for having the courage to post my question. Although thinking now... I could have worded the title better. I am kind of coming to conclusion that despite what my mom and the Hagins dude have held some validity... it doesn't necessarily mean its the truth...right? Most widely known religions make valid points. They wouldn't be successful if the didn't. Someone made a reference to the video have some "cult" qualities. That in honesty frightens me. Just the word "cult" doesn't carry positive connotations. Although I had my doubts in regards to Christianity before my mom decided to "enlighten me" I am not so quick to pick up the religion that Hagins dude is throwing down. Especially one that has cult-ish qualities. The thought of experimenting with or researching different religions and finding the one that resonates with me is a very strange concept. But I think that is the right way to go...

I would like to say, Thank you to everyone who has posted thus far. (Although there were a few who had me questioning there intentions for posting. And the relevancy to the posed topic) I'm very grateful for each and every one of them.

 

[paarsurrey]

Can you quote a verse please?

Thanks for your question.
I quote below:

John 10:16

15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Matthew 15:24
23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OOOOOOOOOOOO

This was Jesus' mission; when he departed at Galilee from his friends, after when he was saved a cursed death on the Cross, by the grace of G-d; he went to India where 10 lost tribes of Israel lived to complete his mission.

He then lived with them in India and did not return again to Judea till his natural and peaceful death at the age of about 120 years.

Jesus did not ascend to heaven 40 days after the event of crucifixion, as is commonly but totally wrongly believed by Christians.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by paarsurrey
Your mother is right. Modern Christianity is made in Rome by Paul and the Church.
Jesus was a Jew; he was never a Christian. Jesus had no history of going to any Church; whenever he went for worship he went to a Jewish temple.

Jesus did not believe that the religion he believed was for non-Jewish people.

Stop it Right. Now. You're absolutely dead wrong here, and you're going to further confuse someone who's already confused enough. Let the professionals handle it (IOW: the people who know what they're talking about).

This is will cure his confusion; as it will yours.

Truth always cures one's confusion.

Regards

 

[nash8]

I am currently at a stand still but I am thankful for having the courage to post my question. Although thinking now... I could have worded the title better. I am kind of coming to conclusion that despite what my mom and the Hagins dude have held some validity... it doesn't necessarily mean its the truth...right? Most widely known religions make valid points. They wouldn't be successful if the didn't. Someone made a reference to the video have some "cult" qualities. That in honesty frightens me. Just the word "cult" doesn't carry positive connotations. Although I had my doubts in regards to Christianity before my mom decided to "enlighten me" I am not so quick to pick up the religion that Hagins dude is throwing down. Especially one that has cult-ish qualities. The thought of experimenting with or researching different religions and finding the one that resonates with me is a very strange concept. But I think that is the right way to go...

I would like to say, Thank you to everyone who has posted thus far. (Although there were a few who had me questioning there intentions for posting. And the relevancy to the posed topic) I'm very grateful for each and every one of them.

I think that the path you have chosen is always the best path to take!!!

Just remember that you don't necessarily have to pick just one faith/religion/philosophy to follow. You are more than free to pick and choose what you like from each and follow your own path. I think you will find that there are more than a few of us that take this approach.

Helps to promote understanding of other peoples religions too. Which is always a good thing in my opinion.

What religion/spirituality/philosophy does that Dr. Ray Hagins promote by the way? I searched and I only found that he hates on Christianity. I don't necessarily qualify that as a "spiritual path".

 

[sojourner]

This is will cure his confusion; as it will yours.

Truth always cures one's confusion.

Regards

As I already said: "You're dead wrong."

 

[roger1440]

Thanks for your question.
I quote below:

John 10:16

15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Matthew 15:24
23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OOOOOOOOOOOO

This was Jesus' mission; when he departed at Galilee from his friends, after when he was saved a cursed death on the Cross, by the grace of G-d; he went to India where 10 lost tribes of Israel lived to complete his mission.

He then lived with them in India and did not return again to Judea till his natural and peaceful death at the age of about 120 years.

Jesus did not ascend to heaven 40 days after the event of crucifixion, as is commonly but totally wrongly believed by Christians.

Regards

What are your sources for all this? There is no possible way I can check the validity of what you wrote if I don't know where you are getting this from.

 

[roger1440]

Ray Hagins is wrong about the “son of God” is derived from the “sun God”. The New Testament was not written in English. He is wrong about many things about Arius and the Council of Nicaea. Ray Hagins is a racist who preys on the ignorance, vulnerability and gullibility of blacks. His mouth spews poison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFtpV4i4zs

Take some time and watch this video. Do a little research and you will see he is wrong on many topics.

 

[blueman]

I am finding myself very wary of posting this thread in fear of negative backlash but I am very curious to know others opinion of this topic. My mom has introduced well... more like forced me to watch multiples videos about the origins of Christianity. I even had to do a paper on it. Anyway.. a condense version of what I have learned that the Christianity is not a original religion. It has roots in many other cultures, non European cultures. The cultures include Sumeria, Babylon, and Egyptian references some more obvious then other. What I remember off the top of my head is the similarities between Aset (Isis) and Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. Also Jesus and Horus. I can go into that if anyone would like me to. That is not to say I am an expert at that, I am NOT.

I am asking this because I recently went to a women's christian fellowship thingy with my step-mom and I was very moved by what went on... But I have a hard time with accepting Christianity when I have the things like "White Man's Religion" "The Patchwork Religion" running through my mind. Those aren't the reason I find it difficult to accept but those are the currents issues at the moment.

/watch?v=oWjmbEglYk4
Just add it to the end of the youtube.com/insert it here... I can't add url's yet... bummer.

That is one of the things she had me watch.. or something similar by the same guy. It's "Ray Hagins: What is Christianity" for anyone who doesn't trust urls. I would really love to have someone else's opinion on this. I am pretty confused by all this...

not sure about your sources for the origin of Christianity, but the history goes back some 2000 years. Horus was not a historical figure and I would love for you to point me to independent resources (both religious and secular) that predate Jesus. Both biblical and non-biblical sources have validated the historicity of Jesus and the Christian movement's origin. By the way, Christianity is not a White man's religion. God's divine love and salvation through Jesus is available to both Jew and Gentile, regardless of ethnicity. You get caught up in the latter, you will miss out on the blessing.

 

[roger1440]

I am finding myself very wary of posting this thread in fear of negative backlash but I am very curious to know others opinion of this topic. My mom has introduced well... more like forced me to watch multiples videos about the origins of Christianity. I even had to do a paper on it. Anyway.. a condense version of what I have learned that the Christianity is not a original religion. It has roots in many other cultures, non European cultures. The cultures include Sumeria, Babylon, and Egyptian references some more obvious then other. What I remember off the top of my head is the similarities between Aset (Isis) and Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. Also Jesus and Horus. I can go into that if anyone would like me to. That is not to say I am an expert at that, I am NOT.

I am asking this because I recently went to a women's christian fellowship thingy with my step-mom and I was very moved by what went on... But I have a hard time with accepting Christianity when I have the things like "White Man's Religion" "The Patchwork Religion" running through my mind. Those aren't the reason I find it difficult to accept but those are the currents issues at the moment.

/watch?v=oWjmbEglYk4
Just add it to the end of the youtube.com/insert it here... I can't add url's yet... bummer.

That is one of the things she had me watch.. or something similar by the same guy. It's "Ray Hagins: What is Christianity" for anyone who doesn't trust urls. I would really love to have someone else's opinion on this. I am pretty confused by all this...

I would like to read the paper you had to write.

 

[outhouse]

and gullibility of blacks. .

You mean gulibility of people.

Blacks or no more or less then anyone else.

 

[outhouse]

Truth always cures one's confusion.

What you really mean to say is this.

As long as you keep truth away from my religion, and we uses it as a tool against other religions, no one will be confused of my militant proselytizing

 

[paarsurrey]

What are your sources for all this? There is no possible way I can check the validity of what you wrote if I don't know where you are getting this from.

Please view the following two documentaries one from BBC and another from Indian Government :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrON2xwFYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ecm4gMhiM#t=14

Regards

 

[Ingledsva]

Speculation about clandestine manipulation of the religious system is as conspiracy theory as the "Illuminati."

The story we now have is also "Speculation about clandestine manipulation of the religious system is as conspiracy theory as the "Illuminati."


Written after the fact, by people that were not there, that misinterpreted Tanakh text, and manipulated by later Clergy and Popes, etc.


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