Origins of the name "Allah", it's god nothing to do with the moon

[Rainbow Mage]

Allah is a contraction of two Arabic words "Al", "Ilah"- the God, when translated. This rendering comes from the older Aramaic name Allaha, the original Christian name for God, since Aramaic is the original language of Christianity. Many Arabic Christians still call God Allaha, and some even call him Allah like Muslims.

Where exactly is the disagreement with this when it comes to western Christians and those who suscribe to anti-Islamic propaganda?

 

[Breathe]

I think it comes from the fact that the crescent moon is used in many Islamic flags... the problem is that is that the symbol only began being used by Muslims from the time of the Ottomans, if I recall correctly.

 

[no-body]

Well this is the "argument" I've found on fundamentalist Christian websites:

The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

No real credible sources and it's doubtful if any of the "professors" listed really exist. Basically it's mental masturbation for Christians who want to disparage Muslims. Like a white man going to a KKK site and reading about how blacks are scientifically proven inferior using pseudoscience.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I thought the head god on the Meccan Pantheon was Hubal, not Allah?

Taken from Wikipedia article "Arabian mythology"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal

Hubal (Arabic: هبل&#8206 Regarded as the chief god of gods and the most notable one, the idol of Hubal was near the Kaaba in mecca and was made of red agate, and shaped like a human, but with the right hand broken off and replaced with a golden hand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal

 

[Rainbow Mage]

So why do anti-Islamists spread these falsehoods about Allah being a chief god on the Meccan pantheon?

 

[301ouncer]

So why do anti-Islamists spread these falsehoods about Allah being a chief god on the Meccan pantheon?

simple. because islam is on the rise among nonmuslims. Not postralysing but merely answering your question.

 

[Mister Emu]

M-o-o-n

That spells allah...

 

[Mister Emu]

In case the reference was too obscure...

My previous post was a joke, based on Tom Cullen from Stephen King's "The Stand". The character spells everything m-o-o-n, such as "M-o-o-n, that spells Nebraska"...

 

[Shishya]

"allah" means "the deity". the fact is, "allah" was used to refer to the "moon god" of the pre-islamic pagan arabs.

and the main deity of the pagan arabs was this "moon god".

Ilah/Eloh is derived from Semitic root for deity "El".

this is history. facts. theres no playing around this.

but to be fair. so what? muslims dont think that their allah, the deity of the quran, is a "moon god".

 

[Shishya]

I think it comes from the fact that the crescent moon is used in many Islamic flags... the problem is that is that the symbol only began being used by Muslims from the time of the Ottomans, if I recall correctly.

So islam is a militant and fascist religion because it incorporated a symbol of emperialism as being representative of it?

 

[Breathe]

So islam is a militant and fascist religion because it incorporated a symbol of emperialism as being representative of it?

LOL, any religion can be used for good or evil Shishya.

To call up a problem with your message, it would be like saying our beloved Dharma is fascist and militant because the Nazis did vile actions under the swastika.

 

[Shishya]

Allah is a contraction of two Arabic words "Al", "Ilah"- the God, when translated. This rendering comes from the older Aramaic name Allaha, the original Christian name for God, since Aramaic is the original language of Christianity. Many Arabic Christians still call God Allaha, and some even call him Allah like Muslims.

Where exactly is the disagreement with this when it comes to western Christians and those who suscribe to anti-Islamic propaganda?

Let's not twist facts simply because we don't fancy something.

Absolutely correct.

I can vouch for that. The Syrian Christians of India Christian prayer Trisagion.

performed by an Indian band of Hindu musicians

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YouTube - Kandisa - Indian Ocean (Full song)

Kandisa Aalaha, Kandisa Esana,
Aalam, Aalam, Aalam.
Aamen, Aamen, Aamen.
Sliha mar Yosef, Almadbaha Kudisaha,
Angene Dhanusa, Nyahave Dukharana.
Kandisa Aalaha, Kandisa Esana,
Kandisa la mayosa, Ezraha ma 'layn.

but...

if you are aware of international news, the muslim malays of malaysia had a big problem with christian malays using the name in the prayers.

even though it was originally christians who used it that muslims copied from. yet muslims have got a problem with.

uh sorry i mean. islam is the original religion. christianity is corrupted. we can be sure islam is the authentic religion. i mean it came afterwards and seems to incorporate the theological concepts of the religions before it. but it is the original one. really. you just have to believe it. how can you not believe it?

the religion of "peace" striked again.

Malaysia Christians battle with Muslims over Allah | Reuters

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guys, guys, guys.

muslim brothers think we all somehow believe in allah. when we do, they perpetrate violence against us.

gee... guys i dont understand why you cant see that islam is such a peaceful religion?

omg thats just so racist. islamophobes are like the KKK. because islam is a race. and harbouring criticism for islam is irrational and unacceptable.

you must respect everyone!

allah is all-knowing. he just decided to omit revealing to us verses that would clarify any doubts in explaining the etymology of the most important thing - the name which we call him.

but you should still believe in allah though. we can be assured that allah is not the creation of muhammad. but really exist. because... it just makes sense!

gee... i dont understand why you are being so adamant.

 

[Shishya]

LOL, any religion can be used for good or evil Shishya.

To call up a problem with your message, it would be like saying our beloved Dharma is fascist and militant because the Nazis did vile actions under the swastika.

Swastika was originally used by Hinduism/Buddhism who have absolutely nothing to do with Nazis.

It was the violent bigoted Nazis who stole it from Hindus/Buddhists

the symbol taken from peaceful tolerant lotus posture meditating body twisting yogic ganges drenching vegetarians was used by foot stomping racially paranoid anti semites.

not the other way around.

which would be the case with islam.

Those who say that the symbol of the crescent moon being the symbol of islam was originally the symbol of the ottoman empire being incorporated as a symbol representative of islam afterwards.

means that this religion incorporated the symbol of an empire that was responsible for the history when its military prowess was at its peak which also resulted in the production of its most extremist sect(wahhabi)

is not it being evil. no no!

gee youre right. hehe. your logic... makes sense.

 

[Breathe]

Swastika was originally used by Hinduism/Buddhism who have absolutely nothing to do with Nazis.

It was the violent bigoted Nazis who stole it from Hindus/Buddhists

the symbol taken from peaceful tolerant lotus posture meditating body twisting yogic ganges drenching vegetarians was used by foot stomping racially paranoid anti semites.

not the other way around.

Dude, I know all this. See the religion? Same as yours. I may be young into the religion, but I know all this. I know the swastika is not a symbol of wickedness, and I am aware of this. I wasn't trying to say it was. I've explained it for you below later on, so maybe you will understand what I meant.

which would be the case with islam.

Those who say that the symbol of the crescent moon being the symbol of islam was originally the symbol of the ottoman empire being incorporated as a symbol representative of islam afterwards.

Not really, no: they just kept the flag. To say that it means Islam is a militant and expansionist religion because they kept a flag seems a bit.. meh.

means that this religion incorporated the symbol of an empire that was responsible for the history when its military prowess was at its peak which also resulted in the production of its most extremist sect(wahhabi)

The Wahhabis usually use the Shahada, usually on a black or green background, and often with a sword.

your logic... makes sense.

I think you missed the point. I will explain it again:

Just because people do things in the name of something doesn't mean that is what the religion is. Just because the Star and Crescent became widely used because of Ottoman influence doesn't mean Islam is to blame.

Saying that a religion is violent because of what people do in its name is illogical and is like saying that Sanatana, Jain and Buddha Dharma are violent and should be blamed for the swastika, which the Nazis did cruel things under, when we know that the swastika is not a symbol of violence, nor are the paths of ahimsa to blame for what Nazis did who stole the symbol (and I am not saying they are, I'm trying to illustrate a point, but it seemed to have gone over your head ) - you are doing guilt by association and are guilty of logical fallacies.

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Hope this helps.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Dude, I know all this. See the religion? Same as yours. I may be young into the religion, but I know all this. I know the swastika is not a symbol of wickedness, and I am aware of this. I wasn't trying to say it was. I've explained it for you below later on, so maybe you will understand what I meant.



Not really, no: they just kept the flag. To say that it means Islam is a militant and expansionist religion because they kept a flag seems a bit.. meh.


The Wahhabis usually use the Shahada, usually on a black or green background, and often with a sword.





I think you missed the point. I will explain it again:

Just because people do things in the name of something doesn't mean that is what the religion is. Just because the Star and Crescent became widely used because of Ottoman influence doesn't mean Islam is to blame.

Saying that a religion is violent because of what people do in its name is illogical and is like saying that Sanatana, Jain and Buddha Dharma are violent and should be blamed for the swastika, which the Nazis did cruel things under, when we know that the swastika is not a symbol of violence, nor are the paths of ahimsa to blame for what Nazis did who stole the symbol (and I am not saying they are, I'm trying to illustrate a point, but it seemed to have gone over your head ) - you are doing guilt by association and are guilty of logical fallacies.

By the way, have you read the rules of the forum?



I know you're new here, but please read and abide by them.


Hope this helps.

Odion i think Shishya is very rude and enforcing...

Glad you put up rules of the Forum for him xxx

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Can we all please stop arguing,debating,justifiying and proving!!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...no one here is better than the other...

No one is enetitled to bully or enforce their opinions either...

xxx

 

[Breathe]

Odion i think Shishya is very rude and enforcing...

Glad you put up rules of the Forum for him xxx

Hopefully he will learn.. all we can do is teach someone who claims to be a shishya, eh?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Allah is not the chief moon god on the Meccan pantheon. You skipped one of my posts about the actual chief god Hubal, who's idol looked human, but the right hand was golden.

 

[Shishya]

Dude, I know all this.

Of course you do. I was just saying, just in case you know.

I may be young into the religion, but I know all this. I know the swastika is not a symbol of wickedness, and I am aware of this. I wasn't trying to say it was. I've explained it for you below later on, so maybe you will understand what I meant.

Oh I know that you know. But I was just saying.

Not really, no: they just kept the flag.

Yes thats what I said. Thank you for repeating what I said.

which would be the case with islam.

Those who say that the symbol of the crescent moon being the symbol of islam was originally the symbol of the ottoman empire being incorporated as a symbol representative of islam afterwards.

To say that it means Islam is a militant and expansionist religion because they kept a flag seems a bit.. meh.

I didnt say that.

The Wahhabis usually use the Shahada, usually on a black or green background, and often with a sword.

Indeed.

I think you missed the point. I will explain it again:

I got what you are saying. Thats why I agreed with you. You are correct. Your logic makes sense.

Just because people do things in the name of something doesn't mean that is what the religion is. Just because the Star and Crescent became widely used because of Ottoman influence doesn't mean Islam is to blame.

Agreed.

Islam is a religion of peace.

Saying that a religion is violent because of what people do in its name is illogical

Exactly!

Muslims may not all be terrorists but most terrorists seem to be muslims. And aggression and violence in the name of religion seems to be something rather unique only to muslims. We dont see Buddhists going around forcing people to accept what they believe in and going to extreme lengths to enforce it.

But thats just because, it just so happens that way. That those "evil people" are muslim.

Islam is not be blamed for the actions of those people. Not at all.

Those "evil people" use islam to justify their actions. They hijacked islam.

Islam is not the cause of their actions, the verses of the quran did not influence them at all!

They used islam for their own agendas!

Islam is entirely innocent! Its not islam's fault.

and is like saying that Sanatana, Jain and Buddha Dharma are violent and should be blamed for the swastika, which the Nazis did cruel things under, when we know that the swastika is not a symbol of violence, nor are the paths of ahimsa to blame for what Nazis did who stole the symbol (and I am not saying they are, I'm trying to illustrate a point, but it seemed to have gone over your head ) - you are doing guilt by association and are guilty of logical fallacies.

Not at all!

You are right. An aspect of a system of beliefs was taken and used by a hostile and violent group.

Swastika = Hindu/Buddhist symbol originally

and then it became a nazi symbol

taken from Hindus/Buddhists and adopted by the nazis without permission from the Hindus/Buddhists

the nazis were no Hindus/Buddhists. They did not fight in the name of Hinduism/Buddhism. Hindus/Buddhists do not care for them.

whereas

Crescent Moon = Ottoman symbol originally

and then it became a muslim symbol

taken from the Ottomans and adopted by the muslims purposely

the Ottomans were muslims. They fought in the name of islam. And islam recognizes that. And islam adopted their symbol.

Its those evil Ottomans who forced innocent Islam to accept the crescent moon as its symbol. Muslims are a peaceful people who had no choice but to keep this symbol as being representive of their religion.

something is simillar but not exact. two lines. in one case its parallel. and in the other perpendicular. but we say its the same thing. so its supposedly is!

your logic is coherent my friend. your reasoning is sensible.

By the way, have you read the rules of the forum?

Yes.

I know you're new here, but please read and abide by them.

Thank you. I appreciate your concern.

Hope this helps.

Yes thank you. You've helped me more than enough.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The Meccan Pantheon

Hubal هبل- Chief god
Allat (not Allah) اللات- Arabian moon "goddess" and one of the chief goddesses of Mecca
Al Uzza العزى‎- An Arabian fertily goddess
Manat مناة‎- goddess of fate

Manaf (Arabic: مناف&#8206 The statue of Munaf was caressed by women, but when they had their periods they were not allowed near it.

Amm (Arabic: أم&#8206 Was a moon god worshipped in ancient Qataban. He was revered as a weather god, as his attributes included lightning bolts.

Wadd (Arabic: واد&#8206 God of love and friendship. Snakes were believed to be sacred to Wadd

Ta'lab (Arabic: طالب&#8206 A god worshipped in southern Arabia, particularly in Sheba. Ta'lab was the moon god. His oracle was consulted for advice.

Dhu'l-Halasa (Arabic: ذو الحلاس&#8206 is an oracular god of south Arabia. He was venerated in the form of a white stone.

Al-Qaum (Arabic: القوم&#8206 Was the Nabataean god of war and the night, and also guardian of caravans.

Dushara (Arabic: ذو شرى&#8206 Was a Nabataean god. His name means "Lord of the Mountain"

Now tell me, do you see Allah on this list?