Origins of the Quran

[use_your_brain]

The real peter the follower of jesus never wrote a word.

Not one part of the NT has any eyewitnesses that wrote a single word.

There are no credible muslim scholars in the whole world, that have anything credible about Jesus. It is as fact as a historical fact can be that jesus was crucified.

Perhaps "wrote" is not really the proper term, but the narration instead.
Peter narrated that it was not Jesus who was crucified.

 

[use_your_brain]

That moses as leader of the Israelites cannot be substantiated verbatim

That they do not even try to make Abraham a historical character and that they gave up all hope a long time ago, because they know he was a literary creation.

They venerate Moses tomb for instance. they also regularly do pilgrim to the Mount of Moses in Sinai.

 

[outhouse]

They venerate Moses tomb for instance. they also regularly do pilgrim to the Mount of Moses in Sinai.

Mnt Sinai is debated as to which mnt is even the right one

 

[outhouse]

Peter narrated that it was not Jesus who was crucified.

No credible scholar believes such.

They all believe he was crucified, without question.

islam has no historical credibility here, and its off topic

 

[outhouse]

The Saint Peter, the disciple of Jesus, witnessed that jesus was not crucified.

provide sources.

 

[use_your_brain]

provide sources.

In the Apocalypse of Peter, Jesus said to Peter:
"He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Apocalypse_of_Peter

 

[outhouse]

In the Apocalypse of Peter, Jesus said to Peter:

written around 100-200 AD


that is outside the Galilean Peters lifetime

 

[sun rise]

No credible scholar believes such.

They all believe he was crucified, without question.

islam has no historical credibility here, and its off topic

Huh? This thread is about the origins of the Quran so how can a discussion of Islam be off topic?

 

[outhouse]

Huh? This thread is about the origins of the Quran so how can a discussion of Islam be off topic?

islam has no historical credibility regarding anything to do with jesus.

That's why not one scholar in the whole world uses the koran for ANYTHING that has to do with research into jesus or his apsotles

 

[sun rise]

islam has no historical credibility regarding anything to do with jesus.

That's why not one scholar in the whole world uses the koran for ANYTHING that has to do with research into jesus or his apsotles

This thread is about the Quran after all. And the Bible is not what I would call accurate historically either.

 

[outhouse]

This thread is about the Quran after all. And the Bible is not what I would call accurate historically either.

The bible is not accurate in many places. But it is used for jesus in some places.

 

[David M]

There are two parts to the definition of plagiarism

Plagiarism is not a problem it is history that has repeated itself for thousands of years, most every religion that has ever existed plagiarized concepts and claimed them as their own.

If the koran was not plagiarized, it would be called the bible.

islam is passing the copied text off as its own divine revelation, but that is not an academic position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mythology

Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology. Stories about Musa (Moses)[1] and Ibrahim (Abraham)


Please notice the key phrase ITS OWN

pla·gia·rize
[ˈplājəˌrīz]
VERB

1. take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.

Thanks for ably demonstrating that you have no clue as to what plagiarism is. It does not matter how much you incorporate or how much you change, what matters is if you pretend that its ONLY your work and not based on any earlier work. That is the meaning as "as one's own", i.e. that it is new material and not based on earlier ideas.

 

[use_your_brain]

written around 100-200 AD


that is outside the Galilean Peters lifetime

perhaps it was rewritten in the translation version.

 

[outhouse]

what matters is if you pretend that its ONLY your work and not based on any earlier work

HELLO!!

islam claims this ALL comes from Gabriel to muhammad to text.

They claim the previous text is corrupt where it differs from their text.

 

[use_your_brain]

HELLO!!

islam claims this ALL comes from Gabriel to muhammad to text.

They claim the previous text is corrupt where it differs from their text.

what if their claim is true.

 

[outhouse]

what if their claim is true.

Then I would question Gabriels intellect, and ask him why he copied Israelite mythology.

 

[use_your_brain]

Then I would question Gabriels intellect, and ask him why he copied Israelite mythology.

he copied a true mythology then.

 

[outhouse]

he copied a true mythology then.

Nope.

Take Noahs legend. We know where it started and how it evolved for over a thousand years before Israelites wrote their plagiarized version down.

Euphrates was always flooding, and wiping out some of the FIRST cities the world has known, that built next to it and did not know they built in a thousand year floodplain.


2900 BC the Euphrates overflowed and destroyed many cities, and soon after we had flood mythology almost like noahs story. Noah was not invented until over two thousand years later.


Ziusudra was the first flood hero like noah. Then Akkadians, then Babylonians, then Israelites, then Islam.

 

[use_your_brain]

Nope.

Take Noahs legend. We know where it started and how it evolved for over a thousand years before Israelites wrote their plagiarized version down.

Euphrates was always flooding, and wiping out some of the FIRST cities the world has known, that built next to it and did not know they built in a thousand year floodplain.


2900 BC the Euphrates overflowed and destroyed many cities, and soon after we had flood mythology almost like noahs story. Noah was not invented until over two thousand years later.


Ziusudra was the first flood hero like noah. Then Akkadians, then Babylonians, then Israelites, then Islam.

Then Israelites plagiarized the true story about Noah flood.

 

[David M]

HELLO!!

islam claims this ALL comes from Gabriel to muhammad to text.

They claim the previous text is corrupt where it differs from their text.

As you admit they claim that the PREVIOUS texts are sources that rules out a charge of plagiarism.

It doesn't matter what you do with the words, how much you add, change or remove, its only plagiarism if you do not admit where the original concepts come from.