Others can't see God exactly as you do.

[Spirit of Light]

When someone ask, tell me about the God you believe in...and you do.

They are not going to see God the way you do. Because telling about a God, is not the same as having an understanding by the one who listen to you.

They listen to you, then they have to study it for them selves to gain the wisdom you have gained.

You can't understand God without actively seeking God first.

 

[ChristineM]

Every god believer has their own belief of what their god/gods are. Hence the reason there is no definitive definition of god, each person's god is different

 

[Twilight Hue]

When someone ask, tell me about the God you believe in...and you do.

They are not going to see God the way you do. Because telling about a God, is not the same as having an understanding by the one who listen to you.

They listen to you, then they have to study it for them selves to gain the wisdom you have gained.

You can't understand God without actively seeking God first.

Of course you see your own God best.

Who else but you owns it inside your head?

 

[PureX]

Similarity and difference are relative. So in one context God is the same for everyone, and in another context God Is different for everyone. Truth is paradoxical like that, from our binary human cognitive perspective. To argue the opposites is foolish. The only way to understand truth is to try and find the perspective that unifies those apparent opposites.

 

[Audie]

Similarity and difference are relative. So in one context God is the same for everyone, and in another context God Is different for everyone. Truth is paradoxical like that, from our binary human cognitive perspective. To argue the opposites is foolish. The only way to understand truth is to try and find the perspective that unifies those apparent opposites.

Assuming everybody does as you think
Everybody? I dont think god(s) even exists.

Maybe its not "truth" at all, better
explaining why no two versions are the same
than calling it s paradox.

We've noted a great tendency of theist sorts
to be starkly binary in their thinking.
Good and evil, god and devil, moral right and wrong, no shades of grey. Right way ( only one way) and wrong way.

Calling that the "human perspective" is
a stretch. What study speaks of a
( universal) binary human perspective?

 

[PureX]

Exists/doesn't exist ... a binary human perspective that YoU sure have not overcome. In fact, you run into that battle as fast as you can every time you are presented with it. So I wouldn't be pointing fingers and putting on airs about how high above binary human thinking you are.

 

[shunyadragon]

When someone ask, tell me about the God you believe in...and you do.

They are not going to see God the way you do. Because telling about a God, is not the same as having an understanding by the one who listen to you.

They listen to you, then they have to study it for them selves to gain the wisdom you have gained.

You can't understand God without actively seeking God first.

"Exactly" is an extreme stretch of how uniform the human subjective view of God on the individual level. Though people of a common belief system most often have a consistent vision and belief what God is to them. The problem arises is the diverse conflicting views ways how different religions and their multitude of divisions claim to know and the relationship to humanity and our physical existence describe God differently, and often claim their way is the 'real' and only way to know God based on an ancient cultural perspective, and ancient scripture without provenance. Throw in the multitude of claims of 'personal' experiences that individual claim to have the experience with the one 'true' God. These problems represent severe flaws in the claims of all ancient religions.

 

[Audie]

Exists/doesn't exist ... a binary human perspective that YoU sure have not overcome. In fact, you run into that battle as fast as you can every time you are presented with it. So I wouldn't be pointing fingers and putting on airs about how high above binary human thinking you are.

Ah yes, rubber- glue, what a clever game,
what an elegant counterpoint all mention
of your errors.

Acknowledging that some things are binary
is no hypocrisy on my part.
In the event, i dont claim to KNOW, and an opinion open to change is hardly a solid yes / no binary.
Kind of like so many other things that arent.

A study about the human condition that
i asked about-?
Nowheresville?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Exists/doesn't exist ... a binary human perspective....

Can you explain what the third option is?

 

[F1fan]

Similarity and difference are relative. So in one context God is the same for everyone, and in another context God Is different for everyone.

If you use the word "God" in very general sense then it applies to more people. The more specific a person defines and describes their God the fewer that will agree. There are thousands of gods in human history. And arguably many more depending on what individual believers want their god to be.

Truth is paradoxical like that, from our binary human cognitive perspective. To argue the opposites is foolish.

Only because God doesn't correspond to anything that can be compared. Even religious texts are pretty vague.

The only way to understand truth is to try and find the perspective that unifies those apparent opposites.

Of course you mean a personal, subjective truth, not truth in the sense that it conforms to what is true and real. That is why God is such a diverse belief.

 

[Audie]

Can you explain what the third option is?

4th, 5th, .....

 

[Audie]

If you use the word "God" in very general sense then it applies to more people. The more specific a person defines and describes their God the fewer that will agree. There are thousands of gods in human history. And arguably many more depending on what individual believers want their god to be.


Only because God doesn't correspond to anything that can be compared. Even religious texts are pretty vague.


Of course you mean a personal, subjective truth, not truth in the sense that it conforms to what is true and real. That is why God is such a diverse belief.

The truth bites and stings.
People tend to run from it

 

[F1fan]

Exists/doesn't exist ... a binary human perspective that YoU sure have not overcome. In fact, you run into that battle as fast as you can every time you are presented with it. So I wouldn't be pointing fingers and putting on airs about how high above binary human thinking you are.

Yet many people want certainty and truth where they can't really have it. People grow up in religious environments and at some point they might have some sense that the ideas they are taught do not correspond to real things or truth the way we understand it. Apples are real things because we can correspond that word to real things. You can even be more certain with specific types of apples like Granny Smith and Gala. In science the explanations are shown in detail, the words and experiments are all accounted for in real ways. But religious ideas are not under the same standard, and believers know it. They know their "truth" is not defendable with facts, and instead relies on the agreement of members of the religion and the self. This can't work in the binary you suggest because where reason/science/logic can show how it is true religion/faith cannot. So by your own standard religion gets shut out as truth.

This is the dilemma with the binary system because it opens the door to comparison, examination, definition, asking questions, scrutiny, and doubt.

 

[F1fan]

The truth bites and stings.
People tend to run from it

And retreat to their redoubt of faith for their last stand against reason.

 

[Fool]

When someone ask, tell me about the God you believe in...and you do.

They are not going to see God the way you do. Because telling about a God, is not the same as having an understanding by the one who listen to you.

They listen to you, then they have to study it for them selves to gain the wisdom you have gained.

You can't understand God without actively seeking God first.

a dualist isn't going to ever recognize that they are experiencing god


the reason most cannot see is simple. it isn't something exclusively outside/separate from self and it doesn't have an exact form, being it's formless.

it isn't so much a thing, a person like, its a being(verb). literally a verb that is given a noun for a name. so first it is a being verb and then a being thing, a noun

 

[Spirit of Light]

a dualist isn't going to ever recognize that they are experiencing god


the reason most cannot see is simple. it isn't something exclusively outside/separate from self and it doesn't have an exact form, being it's formless.

it isn't so much a thing, a person like, its a being(verb). literally a verb that is given a noun for a name. so first it is a being verb and then a being thing, a noun

But will every person understand God to be the same as you described?

 

[Fool]

Every god believer has their own belief of what their god/gods are. Hence the reason there is no definitive definition of god, each person's god is different

every god is different because it's something different than self. if it's something intrinsic and other as self, then it's seen in self, love the lord thy god, and recognized in other as self, then love thy neighbor god/self.

 

[Fool]

But will every person understand God to be the same as you described?

they should unless they just refuse to see it as pantheistic, intrinsic. that is the option to choose love or power. but the service to self type isn't going to choose love. so ignorance is one thing. willful disregard is another.

jesus even said that there is no excuse for sin because love is the rule

 

[Spirit of Light]

they should unless they just refuse to see it as pantheistic, intrinsic. that is the option to choose love or power. but the service to self type isn't going to choose love. so ignorance is one thing. willful disregard is another.

jesus even said that there is no excuse for sin because love is the rule

But is your view and understanding the "right one" for everyone else? Do they not understand the same truth, just from a different P.O.V ?

 

[Audie]

Yet many people want certainty and truth where they can't really have it. People grow up in religious environments and at some point they might have some sense that the ideas they are taught do not correspond to real things or truth the way we understand it. Apples are real things because we can correspond that word to real things. You can even be more certain with specific types of apples like Granny Smith and Gala. In science the explanations are shown in detail, the words and experiments are all accounted for in real ways. But religious ideas are not under the same standard, and believers know it. They know their "truth" is not defendable with facts, and instead relies on the agreement of members of the religion and the self. This can't work in the binary you suggest because where reason/science/logic can show how it is true religion/faith cannot. So by your own standard religion gets shut out as truth.

This is the dilemma with the binary system because it opens the door to comparison, examination, definition, asking questions, scrutiny, and doubt.

Tho the religious use it to slam the door
against such inroads.

" Either Noahs ark was real or Jesus
was liar."