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Oldest Heretic
Sorrry , unlike you, I have no ability to discuss nonsense.
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I ortherwise thought you did just that very well indeed - just by sticking firmly to your gravity ideasSorrry , unlike you, I have no ability to discuss nonsense.
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Nope...Which all clearly indicates a direct formative connection to their mother planets. A connection which has nothing to do with gravity but everything to do with a formation ejected from the mother planets in the early days of the formation.
Not according to the observations and measurements below.Gravity capture is just as likely to result in tidal locking as primary ejection, given enough time.
"Gravity capture" is just another Standard Model substitute explanation for the real causes and dynamics in cosmos.I quoted the informations found and posted by Aupmanyav:
Aupmanyav said: ↑
To their surprise, the team found that the rocks from the Apollo program carried an isotopic signature that was identical with rocks from Earth, and were different from almost all other bodies in the Solar System. Because most of the material that went into orbit to form the Moon was thought to come from Theia, this observation was unexpected.
I mean COME ON!
Aupmanyav said: ↑
In 2007, researchers from the California Institute of Technology announced that there was less than a 1% chance that Theia and Earth had identical isotopic signatures.
You see?
Aupmanyav said: ↑
Published in 2012, an analysis of titanium isotopes in Apollo lunar samples showed that the Moon has the same composition as Earth, which conflicts with what is expected if the Moon formed far from Earth's orbit or from Theia.
Three observations which confirms the Earth-Moon similarity and the birth from Earth!?
Not according to the observations and measurements below...
"Gravity capture" is just another Standard Model substitute explanation for the real causes and dynamics in cosmos.
You:
You see Native, 84,000 yojana is so much more impressive that 8,400 feet. These are stories and a Hindu hears these stories when he/she is a child/very young. So, as the story passed from one set of grandma/grandpa to another, Meru's height kept on increasing, till ultimately, Meru became 1,082,000 km high. But there are other references about Mount Meru in Hindu scriptures (RigVeda) and astronomy books. They say that at the top of Mount Meru, the sun never sets.
This astro-myth deals correctly with the Earth orbital motion around the Sun (The “Solar axis” via the Earth orbital motion), but IMO it is mixed up with the Milky Way connection to the Mount Meru Myth.Cf. Siddhânta Shiromani, Golādhyâya, Bhāskarâchārya II (1114–1185) Chapter vii., verses 6-7.
“There is a peculiarity at the place, where the latitude is greater than 66° N. Whenever the northern declination of the sun exceeds the complement of the latitude, there will be perpetual day, for such time is that excess continues. Similarly when the southern (declination exceeds), there will be perpetual night. On Meru, therefore there is equal half-yearly perpetual day and night.”
I´m not sure of this North Pole axis interpretation. When “gods behold the sun after a single rising”, suggests more to me a Milky Way connection, but the context could also suggest a seasonal description with the Aries constellation.Mount Meru is the terrestrial North Pole of our astronomers, and the Sûrya-Siddhânta, XII, 67, says: — “At Meru Gods behold the sun after but a single rising during the half of his revolution beginning with Aries.”
No doubts this deals with the seasonal matters.Thus if the latitude of a place be 70°, its complement will be 90 – 70 = 20°; and as the sun’s heights above the celestial equator (that is, his declination) is never greater than 23° 28' there will be a continuous day at the place, so long as the declination is greater than 20° and less 23° 28', and there will be a similar continuous night when the sun is in the Southern hemisphere. Paul Du Chaillu mentions that at Nordkyn or North Cape (N. lat. 71° 6'50'') the northernmost place on the continent of Europe, the long night commences on 18th November, and ends on 24th January, lasting in all, for 67 days of twenty-four hours each.
For comparative Mythology, I will suggest a reading of 'Arctic Home in Vedas" by BG Tilak, available as PDF at https://archive.org/details/TheArcticHomeInTheVedas[/QUOTE]
With a quick look at the contents here, it seems to me that the good author confuses astro-myths with geographical matters, a so called “geo-myth” which is common for scholars who don´t have the Milky Way Mythical knowledge or knowledge of the star constellation myths.
Milky Way Mythology here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_(mythology)
Mythology of Constellations here - http://www.comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/myth.html
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"Yeah... the moon is probably a chunk of the Earth, but IMO NOT caused by a great collision . . ." but via a dispersion from the Earth when the entire Solar Sytem planets were molten hot. This is significantly what the discoveries mentioned above strongly indicates.Yeah... the moon is probably a chunk of the Earth, caused by a great collision with something during the accretion of the protoplanetary disk. That's a well-known explanation for it's mineral make-up and it's relatively large size. Pretty much everyone knows this. But that has little-to-nothing to do with the arguments you are making, does it? Just because our moon most likely formed that way doesn't mean that all moons formed that way, does it? If you think that it does, then I'd like to hear your explanation for how large terrestrial bodies were formed from gas giants.
Also, please explain the "real causes and dynamics in the solar system", since very basic concepts in physics, like "gravity capture" seem to be nothing more than "standard model substitutes" in your understanding.
Read this article, "The Milky Way and the Cosmic Soma" - https://vedanet.com/2012/06/13/the-milky-way-and-the-cosmic-soma/I state: Milky Way is not a major base of myths in RigVeda Aryan myths. The major subject is sun which stayed in sky for a long period, a dawn which continued for 30 days, a night which was 2 months long, a year which consisted of ten months (like the old Roman calendar where two months were added in 700 BC by Emperor Numa) and the priests who concluded their annual ritual cycle in ten months (Dashagwahas).
@Aupmanyav,
I´ve read through yor reply #108 and I don´t wish to comment further on this before you´ve read the two linked articles in # 109.
I´ve lnked these articles in order to loosen up on our different points of views.
So I´ll wait for your answer.
Cheers
My genuine errand is to study Comparative Mythology and see how these compare to eachother and try to compare the numerous Stories of Creation with the observations of modern science. I´m primarily not dealing with the issues of of our souls.You believe that "all religions are basically one - the same cosmological conditions creates the same cultural Stories of Creation'. Is it not more important to know how our soul can be with the true God than trying to explain the story of creation? I say true God because there should be a leader.
I don´t care about the personal issues of an author, just about their written contents.@Native, David Frawley is well-known here as a supporter of chauvinist Hindus. Please note that in his long Milky Way article, he has given just one reference from RigVeda. He is not a historian.
As for Jon Habel (Govardhan Das), he is from an extreme biased sect of Hinduism, the Hare-Krishnas, and will have all references from Srimad Bhagawatham written around the beginning of Christian era and supported by other puranas of his Vaishnava sect, which were written even later. That again does not mean history.
Thank you very much for this link. I´m very pleased to see an image of the Milky Way on the second page and I´ve downloaded the file for more readings.I can give you better references about Milky way which I will do in my next post. These will be from BG Tilak's first book on the Subject, "Orion or the Antiquity of Vedas" (my grandpa translated that too from English to Hindi), which also is available in PDF form at https://archive.org/details/orionortheantiqu021979mbp. These two books (Arctic Home and Orion) are authentic historical research, very well referenced and always a pleasure to read.
I agree, Native. Therefore, I have started a new topic in General Religious Debates forum where I have collected some new information for you on the subject. The topic is at http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/astronomy-and-myths-of-milky-way-in-the-aryan-world.188619/Aupmanyav, as the topic here is specifically on the lunar issues, I think our further conversation about the mythical aspects shall be personal if you like.
OK and thank you. We´ll meet thereI agree, Native. Therefore, I have started a new topic in General Religious Debates forum where I have collected some new information for you on the subject. The topic is at http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/astronomy-and-myths-of-milky-way-in-the-aryan-world.188619/
LOLBecause god did it.
Or, if you subscribe the the alien theory the Ancient Aliens did it.
Everyone knows the aliens have a base on the dark side of the moon used
to covertly influence human affair.
After all we humans are descendants of an
No worries. The sun's energy output will increase, and it will expand into a red giant and most likely engulf Earth before it's gone very far.
Oh, damn it.Eeek! Will my house insurance cover that?
Oh, that's just great.@Aupmanyav,
Thank you for your very confidential answer.
I was just curious because as a Comparative Mythologist, I really like the Hindu Myths which IMO very specifically describe the basical conditions of the Universe, as well as the pre-conditions and factual creation of the Milky Way galaxy, where the Mount Meru Myth resembles the very center of the Milky Way - but that´s easy for me to claim . . .
But here it is:
"Mount Meru of Hindu traditions is described as 84,000 Yojan high (about 1,082,000 km (672,000 mi), which would be 85 times the Earth's diameter), and notes that the Sun along with all the planets in the Solar System revolve around Mt. Meru as one unit".
Disregarding the accuracy of the given numbers, it factually deals with the Solar System orbiting a center as one unit. i.e. the Milky Way center.
Not bad for a several thousand year old culture, right? The empirical physical and spiritual knowledge of our ancestors is huge - and hugely underestimated by modern people.
PS: I too do not believe in personified deities but in the natural forces of electromagnetism which in ancient cultures is described symbolical/allegorical as "male and female", resembling the two opposite but complementary polarities in electromagnetism. Nice universal language indeed.
Cheers
Sorry to disappoint. No supernova.Oh, damn it.
I got a cover for the sun going supernova, not for turning into a red giant.