Over Five Hundred People Witnessed The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ

[Jimmy]

It looks like something quite modern to me, even the language and punctuation are modern English

So you don’t know of any heretical work from that time that survived?

 

[ChristineM]

So did they spread the word beyond the Roman Empire as well?

I don't know, i wasn't there.

 

[Jimmy]

I don't know, i wasn't there.

Really? I could’ve sworn I saw you.

 

[ChristineM]

So you don’t know of any heretical work from that time that survived?

There were othere religions outside the roman empire but within the empire, no. There was a copy made of the part of the writings of Celsus meant as a refutation of his work given by Origen. It's now makes part of Origen's The Writings, available on Guttenberg (free)

 

[oldbadger]

I get that you may think they may have and somehow got lost. Funny the gospels weren’t lost.

Hi Jimmy. Many gospels were lost, they were binned, burned and got rid of by the early church.

 

[Jimmy]

There were othere religions outside the roman empire but within the empire, no. There was a copy made of the part of the writings of Celsus meant as a refutation of his work given by Origen. It's now makes part of Origen's The Writings, available on Guttenberg (free)

I think there was a writing around 170 AD saying the immaculate conception never happened.

 

[ChristineM]

I think there was a writing around 170 AD saying the immaculate conception never happened.

Would this have mattered? It was not defined as dogma until 19th century

 

[Altfish]

Do you know how many people claimed to be at The Sex Pistols gig at The Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester? They couldn't all have been there, the venue wasn't big enough and this was in 1977, not year 0

 

[Jimmy]

Would this have mattered? It was not defined as dogma until 19th century

Idk but this thread is about if any heretical work survived that time.

 

[ChristineM]

Idk but this thread is about if any heretical work survived that time.

If it wasn't dogma then surely it wasn't heretical.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do you know how many people claimed to be at The Sex Pistols gig at The Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester? They couldn't all have been there, the venue wasn't big enough and this was in 1977, not year 0

I was there (Free Trade Hall) in 1966 to hear Dylan being called 'Judas!' - and if any friends at the time are still alive they will no doubt vouch for this.

 

[ChristineM]

I was there (Free Trade Hall) in 1966 to hear Dylan being called 'Judas!' - and if any friends at the time are still alive they will no doubt vouch for this.

So was my dad.

 

[Jimmy]

I was there (Free Trade Hall) in 1966 to hear Dylan being called 'Judas!' - and if any friends at the time are still alive they will no doubt vouch for this.

The 60’s was a great decade.

 

[Jimmy]

If it wasn't dogma then surely it wasn't heretical.

Who knows

 

[Jimmy]

Hi Jimmy. Many gospels were lost, they were binned, burned and got rid of by the early church.

Dang

 

[Altfish]

I was there (Free Trade Hall) in 1966 to hear Dylan being called 'Judas!' - and if any friends at the time are still alive they will no doubt vouch for this.

I saw my first ever concert there, but it wasn't until 1970 (The Byrds)

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why wasn’t there texts written by the witnesses at the tomb who didn’t see him rise and why weren’t their writings debunking this “fallacy” handed down over time like the gospels were?

Have you considered because it never happened?

Have you considered that if someone actually, verifiably, had risen from the dead, that news of it would have spread far and wide in the empire?

What I think most PROBABLE is that there were cases of grief hallucinations -- these are actually far more common than people realize. When my brother died last spring, I kept seeing him in the crowd at the wake.

Anyhow, stories of these grief hallucinations got passed from person to person, and with each telling, got embellished more and more, until finally you end up with the version that he was seen by hundreds.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Dang

The most famous is what textual critics call the Q gospel. The Q comes from the German word Quelle, meaning "source." This is because the Q gospel was a source that the standard for gospels copied from.

 

[Jimmy]

Have you considered because it never happened?

Have you considered that if someone actually, verifiably, had risen from the dead, that news of it would have spread far and wide in the empire?

What I think most PROBABLE is that there were cases of grief hallucinations -- these are actually far more common than people realize. When my brother died last spring, I kept seeing him in the crowd at the wake.

Anyhow, stories of these grief hallucinations got passed from person to person, and with each telling, got embellished more and more, until finally you end up with the version that he was seen by hundreds.

I don’t even think that time actually existed, but it’s fun looking for a loop holes.

 

[stvdv]

Why wasn’t there texts written by the witnesses at the tomb who didn’t see him rise and why weren’t their writings debunking this “fallacy” handed down over time like the gospels were?

There is censorship nowadays
As well as in the time of Jesus

There are liars nowadays
As well as in Jesus' days

Don't underestimate the power and control of the Roman Catholic Church. They have not always been honest. They are humans, and some messed up big time, as have been proven throughout history