Overpopulation

[Cacotopia]

There's no moral way to shrink the population by killing people who are already here.

The answer is to shrink the birth rate.
Radically.

I am not being facetious when I say that the answer is homosex.
People want, and will have, sex!
But gay sex doesn't come with the immorality of creating children that the human race doesn't need and can't afford.

GAY ATHEISTS FOR LIFE!

Tom

Or every household can have a Fleshlight sent to their household.

 

[dust1n]

Overpopulation isn't really a concern in America, given that most Americans have such amply access of the worlds resources on the cheap.

You seriously expect the average American to have the morality, intellectual honesty, and physical ability to actually lower the amount of resources they consume and waste in order the benefit the third world workers whose exploitation they directly benefit from?

 

[Valjean]

Last time I went on a road trip, there was still plenty of wide open spaces though.

There's more to our ecological impact than just taking up space.

There's no moral way to shrink the population by killing people who are already here.
The answer is to shrink the birth rate.
Radically.
I am not being facetious when I say that the answer is homosex.
People want, and will have, sex!
But gay sex doesn't come with the immorality of creating children that the human race doesn't need and can't afford.
GAY ATHEISTS FOR LIFE!
Tom

Have you heard of contraception?

Overpopulation isn't really a concern in America, given that most Americans have such amply access of the worlds resources on the cheap.

You seriously expect the average American to have the morality, intellectual honesty, and physical ability to actually lower the amount of resources they consume and waste in order the benefit the third world workers whose exploitation they directly benefit from?

it's the effect of resource usage, not access to them, that's worrisome. America isn't an isolated island. If we run out of oxygen, we run out everywhere.

 

[dust1n]

it's the effect of resource usage, not access to them, that's worrisome. America isn't an isolated island. If we run out of oxygen, we run out everywhere.

Americans will be some of the most shielded people from the famines, forced migrations, extreme heat. Climate change is already affecting various populations in the world, and it's directly tied human consumption of materials. Us though benefits directly off the cheap labor these unstable places supply for them, as well as the resources which are extracted at discount. Far before we run out of oxygen, the affects will largely be experienced by the poorest people in the world for decades if not centuries beforehand, while the immense wealth extracted from these places will be used to build the flood walls that will placate the American population for as long as possible.

 

[Valjean]

Americans will be some of the most shielded people from the famines, forced migrations, extreme heat. Climate change is already affecting various populations in the world, and it's directly tied human consumption of materials. Us though benefits directly off the cheap labor these unstable places supply for them, as well as the resources which are extracted at discount. Far before we run out of oxygen, the affects will largely be experienced by the poorest people in the world for decades if not centuries beforehand, while the immense wealth extracted from these places will be used to build the flood walls that will placate the American population for as long as possible.

Fortress America, eh? I suspect it'll be more difficult than you imagine to completely isolate ourselves from the climate chaos elsewhere in the world. Nor would a Great Wall shield us from heat, arctic air incursions, desertification, flooding, fires, hurricanes, deforestation, aquifer and topsoil depletion, ocean rise, &c.

 

[dust1n]

Fortress America, eh? I suspect it'll be more difficult than you imagine to completely isolate ourselves from the climate chaos elsewhere in the world. Nor would a Great Wall shield us from heat, arctic air incursions, desertification, flooding, fires, hurricanes, deforestation, aquifer and topsoil depletion, ocean rise, &c.

I don't doubt it, but hard to imagine they won't try. But yea, hard to imagine, given their reluctance to take a cut in the quality of living for any reason, it's not too surprising Americans think of something like "population control" purely as something that's coming their crush their individual liberties. But it's not that surprising, but it's not their kid they have to worry about starving.

 

[Valjean]

I don't doubt it, but hard to imagine they won't try. But yea, hard to imagine, given their reluctance to take a cut in the quality of living for any reason, it's not too surprising Americans think of something like "population control" purely as something that's coming their crush their individual liberties. But it's not that surprising, but it's not their kid they have to worry about starving.

Yet oddly enough, fewer children = greater prosperity and more "individual liberty."
The $233,610 it costs an American middle class family to raise a child to 18 (minus college), could buy a lot of security and options. The Cost of Raising a Child Jumps to $233,610

 

[Cacotopia]

Overpopulation isn't really a concern in America, given that most Americans have such amply access of the worlds resources on the cheap.

You seriously expect the average American to have the morality, intellectual honesty, and physical ability to actually lower the amount of resources they consume and waste in order the benefit the third world workers whose exploitation they directly benefit from?

I never said I had faith in humanity that's why I suggested we have a few plagues go through us unchecked. or a good ole fashioned genocide or 10.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I never said I had faith in humanity that's why I suggested we have a few plagues go through us unchecked. or a good ole fashioned genocide or 10.

That's just sick. What the hell is wrong with you.

 

[Cacotopia]

Did you even read the first post? Humanity is full of selfish self serving imbeciles. They aren't gonna change for the betterment of the whole. Unless their lives are threatened, which they are gonna be in a few hundred years but it's gonna be too late then.

 

[Cacotopia]

Think of all the entertainment we have that's completely unnecessary waste of resources. Racing with any combustion vehicle. Stunt shows, monster trucks, all of it. HUGE WASTE.

Why do we still have the combustion engine for over 100 years. Why is battery tech bought up by the oil industry and never incorporated into public life. Because greed runs the planet. We don't deserve this earth. We have turned it into a pile of garbage.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you even read the first post? Humanity is full of selfish self serving imbeciles. They aren't gonna change for the betterment of the whole. Unless their lives are threatened, which they are gonna be in a few hundred years but it's gonna be too late then.

And you're so better, right? It's always "other people" and not yourself. Hence why I brought up the suicide question. It's just rank hypocrisy and airing sick sadistic murder fantasies.

 

[Cacotopia]

And you're so better, right? It's always "other people" and not yourself. Hence why I brought up the suicide question. It's just rank hypocrisy and airing sick sadistic murder fantasies.

Never put myself on a dais. But you seem to think I do. Keep making up stuff. I don't think you know what being sarchotic is.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Never put myself on a dais. But you seem to think I do. Keep making up stuff.

I'm not making up anything. I'm simply reading your ridiculous posts.

 

[Cacotopia]

So retract your assumption of being better than everyone else. cause I'm not and never was.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So retract your assumption of being better than everyone else. cause I'm not and never was.

So you don't mind being one of those people dying for the good of the planet?

 

[Cacotopia]

Depends on the situation. But if you think me committing suicide is "good for the planet" I doubt a single life makes a difference. Considering that statistically a person dies every minute and 5127 people have died since this thread began but 15,561 people have been born. So no....it's wouldn't make a difference. And needlessly committing suicide for a cause of which knowing no impact would be made is a wasted effort and freakishly stupid.

 

[dust1n]

I never said I had faith in humanity that's why I suggested we have a few plagues go through us unchecked. or a good ole fashioned genocide or 10.

Lol, gonna pass on that; but if anyone does try to instigate either, then a slightly smaller population would yet be another benefit of stopping them.

 

[Revoltingest]

We could just simply kill off those that we feel are wasting space....just sayin'.

I just received an alert.
You called?

 

[Cacotopia]

In the event of a massive die off, I would be content being part of it, but offing myself would have little to no impact on the condition of the earth, it would be another statistic and isolated event. I had a discussion last night, clearly the original thought is full of holes and it would never work, it also wasn't an idea to balance the ration of rich to poor either, people are driven to survive and will do whatever it takes to do so. And economically those that have the most means of "defense" are the wealthy. And medicine is humanity's strongest defense in the event of a plague.

In the mind of many scientists, or "alarmists" as they are often labelled, the scale of ecological collapse has already been tipped too far. And the only viable option is to jump ship. The most likely option is to colonize mars and pollute it's atmosphere into being able to sustain life. If it's one thing we are outstanding at. And if we are able to create bio domes sustaining us then we can indefinitely pollute the atmosphere, as Mars lost it's atmospherical composition over the course of hundreds of millions of year.