Oh yeah, for real, it's getting rougher in Malaysia. I have family there, and several friends from there. Many of my Muslim friends from there are also pretty unhappy with the direction things are going.
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Pakistan, Facebook and Blasphemy
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Oh yeah, for real, it's getting rougher in Malaysia. I have family there, and several friends from there. Many of my Muslim friends from there are also pretty unhappy with the direction things are going.
But I certainly don't stereotype all Muslims. Bangladesh is nasty, and I remember having neighbours here who were so absolutely happy to be in Canada where they could have some freedom to think.
Yeah, many places have been getting worse of late. A few exceptions, such as in the Balkans and perhaps Tunisia and Central Asia. West Africa isn't so bad, in that respect.
It's hard to be familiar with the way it is on the ground. It's hard to trust either press. My Malaysian friends just sort of hide out, try to blend in in public. But some of the stuff that they try to pull, like taking over or demolishing the temples, the school curricula and all that, well its not right.
Lorgar-Aurelian
Active Member
That was more of a reference to Canada, Germany, Sweden, ect
Definitely. Some of the northern states are making punishments for adultery worse etc too.
My uncle, who has lived in Penang for decades, says a lot of it comes down to the fundamental instability and inefficiency of having different legal codes applied to different communities in one country.
No doubt.
I live in a country where Trump, Pence, Sessions, and who knows what other Christians are in the highest offices. At least we got rid of Trumps top security, Flynn.
The problem is revealed religion, apparently Abrahamic is the worst.
Tom
Well, I don't really agree, but it's an interesting point. India's getting worse too in some ways, and that's not a country where a "revealed religion" is in the majority.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
You must have a point, but I certainly have no idea what it is, or what it might have to do with free speech
shmogie
Well-Known Member
The problem is ignorant people who know little of what they are talking about. "We" got rid of Flynn ? Do you have a little man, or girl, or whatever in your pocket ? You did absolutely nothing, but whimper, I bet. Flynn got rid of himself, he didn't need your help.
The Hindutva movement is quite disgusting.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Then they aren't moslems. Read the koran, and hadith, and learn how a true moslem is compelled to believe all the BS written, and how the stated aims of these books must be the aims of a true moslem
Shad
Veteran Member
Facebook isn't a nation. Each user signs an agreement (that thing you scroll passed to the accept button) to use the service. If you do not like how the service works or is operated by the company then you can boycott it
Bingo!
One of the most irritating things about the denizens of the culture of victimhood and entitlement is believing that Facebooking is a right and Zuckerberg owes something to them because they use the services.
Tom
dust1n
Zindīq
I guess I failed to miss the connection because Canada, Germany and Sweden weren't the ones being asked by Pakistan officials to help control content in their web space...
The internet has become a part of "the commons" and although I'm no fan of facebook, so has it, to some degree. Cries of "blasphemy" in the commons is an attack on free speech.
Shad
Veteran Member
I am more concerned about how people think a for-profit business, since 2011, is some sort of bastion of free speech with no agenda what so ever. Nevermind Facebook is creating censorship software in order to get into China's market. China being another bastion of free speech.
Facebook is a company, people should act like it is one.
Shad
Veteran Member
No it hasn't as Facebook must adhere to national laws in nations it wishes to operate such as business laws as Facebook is a business, and has been a for-profit one for 6 years. Facebook isn't something that just "exists" as some mysterious mist of the internet. It is a business; property, assets, contracts, employees, etc.
The internet isn't some commons. You must have a contact with an internet provider which must follow laws and regulation of the nation it operates in. You are legally responsible for what you say and do on the internet these days hence cyber-bullying is considered a crime in many nations. Websites you sign up for are member based services. The companies that run these sites are real and have an HQ along with it's own source or contracted internet services.
Facebook merely exposed itself for what it is, for-profit, to those that didn't clue in years ago.
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The "we" I was referring to was "US citizens ".
Of course, "we the human family" are also rid of a high level Russian agent in the USA security apparatus. But that wasn't what I meant.
Tom