Palestinians under attack

[Jayhawker Soule]

If Israeli reports are true, that Hamas missile systems are kept within schools and in densely populated civilian areas, what is your proposed solution? Just stand by and let the rockets come?

If? Here's a fun read for you.

 

[CMike]

So kill more babies of them not to forgive arabs. What a weird logic.

That's extremely bizarre.

I said that where?

If you have a military solution in mind you should have let the other party have an army. They should have had open ports for years.

Since they constantly have shown that other countries will send them weapons to use against Israel then they can't have open ports.

They get their stuff but it has to be checked.

If they behaved, and Israel knew that they are not going to get more rockets shipped to them to be used against Israeli civilians they would have open ports.

When you are getting armed against a no army region as you close their ports and turn them into an open prison, you cant expect them not to raise militans and it is unfair to call those people terrorist. They didnt have an opportunity to have an army.

There are no jews in Gaza. They withdrew totally from Gaza. Therefore, they should have no gripe at this point.

And it doesn't matter the circumstances you don't intentionally attack civilians, and what is even worse is using their own civilians as human shields.

At least animals protect their children. Hamas is lower than animals.

 

[CMike]

Till this moments the rockets is going on and that proves that Israel was lying or stupid or both.

What if the captured soldier Shaul Aron was the son of Netanyahu, do you think he'll keep on the war or he'll ask for a ceafire and peace talks for the favour of his son that if he actually may accept to send his son to die at Gaza borders at first place.

The captured soldier will stay for years before the Israeli leaders start to think about him and to release him by an agreement with Hamas that if he was lucky to survive the bombing at Gaza.

Israel already agreed to a ceasefire. Hamas rejectedit.

Israel gave a five hour window for humanitarian aid to Gaza. Hamas shot rockets during that time.

To answer your question I would hope that Netanyahu would do his duty to proctect his citizens regardless of personal cost. If he can't then he can't have that power.

 

[CMike]

That is a really silly thing to say, it is a terrible excuse for killing innocents.

That sort of throw away line is the worst form of propoganda, it is beneath contempt and I would rethink propogating it if I were you. The imbalance of power here is vast and nothing excuses the slaughter of innocent civilians.

The truth is propaganda.

There are numerous videos of Hamas stating that they use their civilians as human shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

Yeah...in war civilians die. When the enemy uses their own civilians as human shields many more civilians die.

However, no country is going to just let the enemy shoot rockets at their cities without taking action to stop it.

 

[CMike]

If Israeli reports are true, that Hamas missile systems are kept within schools and in densely populated civilian areas, what is your proposed solution? Just stand by and let the rockets come?

Hamas also had a command center within a hospital.

 

[Bunyip]

If Israeli reports are true, that Hamas missile systems are kept within schools and in densely populated civilian areas, what is your proposed solution? Just stand by and let the rockets come?

Nothing is more dangerous than desperate people with nothing to lose. Give Palestine the state it was promised two generations ago. Shooting at people will never succeed in making them less desperate.

This notion of Hamas not fighting fair is just pathetic. You can not expect any enemy to be so stupid as to engage conventionally in a 'fair' fight with an opponant a hundred times more powerful.

Hamas would never have defeated the ruling Fatah party had the Palestinian state (which they were guaranteed) been established.

 

[Bunyip]

The truth is propaganda.

There are numerous videos of Hamas stating that they use their civilians as human shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

Yeah...in war civilians die. When the enemy uses their own civilians as human shields many more civilians die.

However, no country is going to just let the enemy shoot rockets at their cities without taking action to stop it.

Cut the c#@p mate, far more Palestinian civilians are dying than Israelis.

This enemy were promised a state two generations ago - how long should they wait in refugee camps? A century? Two?

 

[ametist]

You're projecting.

This is not about having a fun war. This is about having a safe society. Hamas rejected one cease fire, violated a second, and is currently refusing a third, and your pathetically moronic answer to to make them a more effective terror machine. To stop the killing, stop the attacks.

I said he had weird logic. He has faulty logic with baised opinion everywhere in that paragraph and infusing a peculiar understanding of arabhood. Thats my idea if you like that speech, find any logic in it other than racist generalization and it is making you a better man fine. You are better than i.
Anyway. People who dont agree you with are not moron just like those who dont have their wish as your wish arent terrorist villians.
If you dont have this understanding you cant solve any problem involving others whatsoever. You will just remain as a spoilt child. They are not refusing ceasefire. They have some demands like freeing of prisoners for example. But since you see them as terrorist but not as militants you are coming back to where you have started. They have the psychology of a suffocated society with all the ports and borders under israel's control. Israel is acting like only legitimate authority there and not seeing palestinians like their citizens by putting walls around and occupying their homes. If you are the only authority, treat them like they are one of your own. Make them feel so,give them their basic freedom like travel. If you are not only authority there then let them have their own. You have bad advisors who keep pushing the idea that hamas of the suffocated society is rejecting ceasefire but are not seriously looking at the demands trying to come to a middleground.

 

[CMike]

Nothing is more dangerous than desperate people with nothing to lose. Give Palestine the state it was promised two generations ago. Shooting at people will never succeed in making them less desperate.

This notion of Hamas not fighting fair is just pathetic. You can not expect any enemy to be so stupid as to engage conventionally in a 'fair' fight with an opponant a hundred times more powerful.

Hamas would never have defeated the ruling Fatah party had the Palestinian state (which they were guaranteed) been established.

There was never an independent palestinian state.

4/5ths of the actual british palestine was transjordan which became jordan.

So they can have their state in Jordan.

Also the palestinians really don't care about a seperate state from Israel. They want the state instead of Israel. In fact, they simply want to destroy Israel...period.

This is their means to that ultimate end.

 

[Bunyip]

There was never an independent palestinian state.

4/5ths of the actual british palestine was transjordan which became jordan.

So they can have their state in Jordan.

Also the palestinians really don't care about a seperate state from Israel. They want the state instead of Israel. In fact, they simply want to destroy Israel...period.

This is their means to that ultimate end.

There was never an independant Jewish state, so what was your point?

The Palestinians were guaranteed a State in the declaration that established Israel. Funnily enough the Palestinians want their state in Palestine.

 

[CMike]

Cut the c#@p mate, far more Palestinian civilians are dying than Israelis.

This enemy were promised a state two generations ago - how long should they wait in refugee camps? A century? Two?

Of course more palestinian civilians are dead. That's the way Hamas wants it.

Israel uses it's resources defending it's people. It builds air raid shelters and uses it's weapons to stop attacks.

Hamas uses it's resources to intentionally put it's civilians in danger in order to use them as human shields.

When the enemy can behave not like animals, and genuinely came to Israel in peace wanting to work it out, they probably would have had a "state" by now within Israel.

Instead from the very beginning they started attacking Israel's civilians.

Israel isn't going to put it's security in jeopardy by making the country 9 miles wide, no longer defensible, and that the terrorists can put their weapons even closer to Israel's major cities.

 

[CMike]

There was never an independant Jewish state, so what was your point?

The Palestinians were guaranteed a State in the declaration that established Israel. Funnily enough the Palestinians want their state in Palestine.

There were three of them in the area.

1) was destroyed by the babylonians

2) was destroyed by the romans

3) was created in 1948. The arabs never agreed to the partition, and therefore, didn't accept their own state. Instead they attacked Israel for the purpose of destroying it.

4/5ths of the orginial british palestine was in jordan.

How come there is no call to have a palestinian state in jordan?

 

[Bunyip]

Of course more palestinian civilians are dead. That's the way Hamas wants it.

Israel uses it's resources defending it's people. It builds air raid shelters and uses it's weapons to stop attacks.

Hamas uses it's resources to intentionally put it's civilians in danger in order to use them as human shields.

When the enemy can behave not like animals, and genuinely came to Israel in peace wanting to work it out, they probably would have had a "state" by now within Israel.

Instead from the very beginning they started attacking Israel's civilians.

Israel isn't going to put it's security in jeopardy by making the country 9 miles wide, no longer defensible, and that the terrorists can put their weapons even closer to Israel's major cities.

How long it will take you to finally work out that Isreali foreign policy is making them less safe and secure, rather than more so - I hate to think.

Israel puts its people, its children in jeopardy every hour, every day and every decade that the provicion of the Palestinian state is delayed.

 

[Bunyip]

There were three of them in the area.

1) was destroyed by the babylonians

2) was destroyed by the romans

3) was created in 1948. The arabs never agreed to the partition, and therefore, didn't accept their own state. Instead they attacked Israel for the purpose of destroying it.

4/5ths of the orginial british palestine was in jordan.

How come there is no call to have a palestinian state in jordan?

Nonsense. The first was in 1948, the other two existed only in your imagination.

 

[CMike]

How long it will take you to finally work out that Isreali foreign policy is making them less safe and secure, rather than more so - I hate to think.

Israel puts its people, its children in jeopardy every hour, every day and every decade that the provicion of the Palestinian state is delayed.

Not really.

The palestinian's goal according to their leaders is the total destruction of Israel.

Israel is a tiny country about the size of NJ, while the arab countries are about the size of the US.

Giving away more of the tiny land it has for people whom have vowed the destruction of their country would just be committing suicicide.

Once again if the palestinians actually came to Israel with a genuine desire for peace they would have it. However, this hasn't happened yet.

 

[Bunyip]

Not really.

The palestinian's goal according to their leaders is the total destruction of Israel.

Israel is a tiny country about the size of NJ, while the arab countries are about the size of the US.

Giving away more of the tiny land it has for people whom have vowed the destruction of their country would just be committing suicicide.

Once again if the palestinians actually came to Israel with a genuine desire for peace they would have it. However, this hasn't happened yet.

I'm not going to buy into the 'Palestinians are the bogey man' paranoid delusion, but you make a great point - yes Israel is a teeny tiny little country in an ocean of Arabs. My advice would be to stop attacking them, the only consequence will be annihilation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But since you see them as terrorist but not as militants you are coming back to where you have started.

I see them as militant terrorists openly committed to the eradication of Israel because that are, in fact, militant terrorists openly committed to the eradication of Israel. That you try so hard and ineffectively to legitimate them speaks volumes.

 

[CMike]

I'm not going to buy into the 'Palestinians are the bogey man' paranoid delusion, but you make a great point - yes Israel is a teeny tiny little country in an ocean of Arabs. My advice would be to stop attacking them, the only consequence will be annihilation.

I'm sure that if the palestinian leadership would stop trying kill all jews in Israel, Israel wouldn't have have to defend itself.

What delusion?

Hamas send about 2,000 rockets into Israeli cities.

They are using human shields to protect their weapons.

They constantly call for the destruction of Israel.

These aren't delusions.

These are facts.

 

[ametist]

I see them as militant terrorists openly committed to the eradication of Israel because that are, in fact, militant terrorists openly committed to the eradication of Israel. That you try so hard and ineffectively to legitimate them speaks volumes.

Open your eyes. Noone can damage existence of israel. You are backed up politically and by billion dollar sectors.
You are being used as a tool to justify the cruelty in palestine and some of that guilt will remain in your conscience forever. Do yourself a favour. See the facts.

 

[Bunyip]

I'm sure that if the palestinian leadership would stop trying kill all jews in Israel, Israel wouldn't have have to defend itself.

What delusion?

Hamas send about 2,000 rockets into Israeli cities.

They are using human shields to protect their weapons.

They constantly call for the destruction of Israel.

These aren't delusions.

These are facts.

Really? And what is the death toll from those 2000 rockets?