Palestinians under attack

[Estro Felino]

Fact is there is no Palestine State in the Westbank and Gaza. They could of course declare one without talking to Israel about it or even discuss Borders(no the green line aint a border line, the armistice clearly says so) and what not, but i think that may be a stupid idea.

Of course there is no Palestine state. Because Israel and US prevent Palestinians from creating it.
Then why hasn't Israel Government discussed the borders yet? and if they have, why isn't there a Palestinian republic yet?

The Choseness within Judaism has nothing to do with superiority.

No offense, but it's a bit contradictory. We Christians think that God has chosen no people. All the peoples are equal in the eyes of the Lord. That's the reasons why anyone (even a Buddhist) can become a Christian but not anyone can become Jewish.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that Jews believe in the rule "Love thy neighbor as much as thyself" or even more

 

[jewscout]

No offense, but it's a bit contradictory. We Christians think that God has chosen no people. All the peoples are equal in the eyes in the Lord. That's the reasons why anyone (even a Buddhist) can become a Christian but not anyone can become Jewish.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that Jews believe in the rule "Love thy neighbor as much as thyself" or even more

you're right, you are wrong. and you display your ignorance of Judaism for the world to see.

 

[Estro Felino]

you're right, you are wrong. and you display your ignorance of Judaism for the world to see.

It' s a bit difficult to find a Christian who is ignorant about Judaism, given that we read the Tanakh and we didn't change a word of it.

 

[Tarheeler]

It' s very difficult to say that a Christian is ignorant about Judaism, given that we read the Tanakh and we didn't change a word of it.

As a Christian who became a Jew, I can't stress just how wrong you are.
In my experience it is extremely difficult to find a Christian who has the foggiest notion of what Judaism teaches; comprehending the basics of Judaism often changes how one understands Christianity.

 

[Flankerl]

Of course there is no Palestine state. Because Israel and US prevent Palestinians from creating it.
Then why hasn't Israel Government discussed the borders yet? and if they have, why isn't there a Palestinian republic yet?

Was it Olmerts or Baraks peace proposal Abbas took home and never talked about it again?
I love how you place the sole responsibility of the talks on Israel. Very mature.

No offense, but it's a bit contradictory. We Christians think that God has chosen no people. All the peoples are equal in the eyes of the Lord. That's the reasons why anyone (even a Buddhist) can become a Christian but not anyone can become Jewish.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that Jews believe in the rule "Love thy neighbor as much as thyself" or even more

Vayikra 19:18
18. You shall neither take revenge from nor bear a grudge against the members of your people; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Vayikra 19:34
34. The stranger who sojourns with you shall be as a native from among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your God.

Also anyone can become a Jew. Amazing isnt it?

It' s a bit difficult to find a Christian who is ignorant about Judaism, given that we read the Tanakh and we didn't change a word of it.

lol

 

[jewscout]

It' s a bit difficult to find a Christian who is ignorant about Judaism, given that we read the Tanakh and we didn't change a word of it.

oh really?
As a convert to Judaism (orthodox I might add) I find the opposite to be consistently true, including in regards to this conversation.

perhaps you can enlighten us on the wealth of knowledge you have on Judaism, halachah, midrash, and menhogim in another thread where we can put this theory to the test.

 

[Estro Felino]

Was it Olmerts or Baraks peace proposal Abbas took home and never talked about it again?
I love how you place the sole responsibility of the talks on Israel. Very mature.

Why do you keep changing subject? You keep talking about peace proposals, but never about the acknowledgement of the Palestinian Republic. Palestinians want their state to be recognized. Full stop. Peace proposals are not sufficient

 

[YmirGF]

Why do you keep changing subject? You keep talking about peace proposals, but never about the acknowledgement of the Palestinian Republic. Palestinians want their state to be recognized. Full stop. Peace proposals are not sufficient

If Israel did not recognize the Palestinian bid for statehood (as being legitimate) why on earth would they bother to enter into negotiations with them to achieve just that?

 

[Flankerl]

Why do you keep changing subject? You keep talking about peace proposals, but never about the acknowledgement of the Palestinian Republic. Palestinians want their state to be recognized. Full stop. Peace proposals are not sufficient

So you want a Palestinian State but no Peace Treaty?

Yeah thats an awesome idea.


Also big props on ignoring the rest of my posting.

 

[xkatz]

It' s a bit difficult to find a Christian who is ignorant about Judaism,

I have always found the opposite to be true.

given that we read the Tanakh and we didn't change a word of it.

Then why do Christians have different interpretations of Tanakh than Jews do (not to mention the New Testament)?

 

[xkatz]

That's the reasons why anyone (even a Buddhist) can become a Christian but not anyone can become Jewish.

Anyone can become Jewish in theory. However in practice, Judaism is one of the hardest religions to follow (if you plan on being orthodox at least). Heck, I am Jewish and I am no where near perfect at following it because it is difficult. It is realized that not everyone could follow these laws and there is no need for everyone to anyways, because everyone has an equal place in the hereafter (whatever that may or may not be). Judaism is considered a lifelong commitment and thus the conversion process is long and arduous for that reason. Jews do not want people to convert simply because they think it's cool or whatever, but because they see commitment to HaShem and torah as an essentially good thing. Or in other words, praxis is just as important (if not moreso) than doctrine.

 

[Estro Felino]

I have always found the opposite to be true.

Then why do Christians have different interpretations of Tanakh than Jews do (not to mention the New Testament)?

Different interpretations? You mean that we believe in divine justice, whereas Jews don't?

We believe in Moses and in ten commandments: do not do unto others what you don't want them to do unto you.
If you hurt the others , you sin, and you will go to Hell for that.
The ones who get richer and richer at cost of the neighbor's poverty, for example. Those who create social injustice and economical inequality

Our God defends the poor and despises the powerful, because all the rich and the powerful are selfish and greedy

 

[Revoltingest]

So you want a Palestinian State but no Peace Treaty?
Yeah thats an awesome idea.

It's not perfect, but it could be far better step than accepting the status quo.

 

[xkatz]

Different interpretations? You mean that we believe in sin, whereas Jews don't?

Again, your 'knowledge' of Judaism is telling. Jews believe in sin, however we do not believe in the notion of original sin. Wiki has a good article on it: Jewish views on sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sin exists: do not do unto others what you don't want them to do unto you.
If you hurt the others , you sin, and you will go to Hell for that.
The ones who get richer and richer at cost of the neighbor's poverty, for example. Those who create social injustice and economical inequality

Our God defends the poor and despises the powerful, because all powerful are selfish and greedy

Your point being?

 

[Estro Felino]

Judaism is considered a lifelong commitment and thus the conversion process is long and arduous for that reason. .

We Christians welcome everyone, without useless meaningless processes.
Do you want to become Catholic? Go to a Church and ask to be baptized. You will be a Catholic in no time.

 

[xkatz]

We Christians welcome everyone, without useless meaningless processes.
Do you want to become Catholic? Go to a Church and ask to be baptized. You will be a Catholic in no time.

The conversion process is far from meaningless, ask Tarheeler if you want.

The reason there is a process is because potential Jews should be instructed and informed on what they are getting themselves into. What would be the point on someone becoming Jewish the moment they asked a rabbi if they do not understand how to pray, keep kosher, etc. People should become Jewish because they want to follow Torah, not because they want to be a part of some "club". A good analogy to this is buying a car. Would you buy a car on the spot because it has a nice paint job? Or would you first inspect it and do research before buying said car?

It's funny you bring up the Catholic Church because they have a somewhat similar process (RCIA) because they realize it's important to catechize potential members so they understand why things like eucharist and baptism are done.

 

[jewscout]

We Christians welcome everyone, without useless meaningless processes.
Do you want to become Catholic? Go to a Church and ask to be baptized. You will be a Catholic in no time.

you once again show a complete lack of knowledge of Judaism.

our processes are not meaningless or useless. To be a jew is to live a certain lifestyle based on Torah and our traditions, and also to become not just a part of a faith but a citizen of a nation. As a non-jew you don't have to live by the 613 mitzvot of the Torah and if you aren't serious about living that lifestyle you are spiritually better off as a non-jew following the 7 Mitzvot Bnei Noach.

besides our faith doesn't have centuries of doctrine condemning non-jews to eternal hell and damnation for simply being non-jews, who's the non-universalist faith now?:sarcastic

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, it does tell a lot, although I doubt in the same way you are thinking.
I would love to say exactly what is going through my mind here, but it would (rightfully) get me scolded.

you can tell me, dear friend.

By the way I want to underline just one thing: a Christian is already a Jewish (from a religious, not cultural point of view). So I would never convert myself to Judaism because I already am Jewish.
I believe in all that is written in the Tanakh and I believe in all the values the Jews believe in. We Christians understood the sense of life, which is Universal Love.
That's why Mary, a Jewish woman decided to love all mankind and by believing that mankind can become divine, she could incarnate God in her womb.
Jesus is God made flesh.
God has created man in His image: this means that man is supposed to turn this Earth into a Heaven, by spreading peace, love, justice and happiness. By erasing selfishness, greed, money-hunger and personal profit.

God suffers if we create injustice, because he gave us free will. With free will we can decide not to sin and to love everyone.

It's so embarassing when you Jews think that we Christians hate you. We can't hate ourselves because we are already Jewish. We sing even Jewish songs in our Christian masses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWePGSeapVo

We Italians even borrowed the music of Ha tikva to make a Catholic song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3MLJ3JGiQ

 

[Tarheeler]

you can tell me, dear friend.

By the way I want to underline just one thing: a Christian is already a Jewish (from a religious, not cultural point of view). So I would never convert myself to Judaism because I already am Jewish.
I believe in all that is written in the Tanakh and I believe in all the values the Jews believe in. We Christians understood the sense of life, which is Universal Love.
That's why Mary, a Jewish woman decided to love all mankind and by believing that mankind can become divine, she could incarnate God in her womb.
Jesus is God made flesh.
God has created man in His image: this means that man is supposed to turn this Earth into a Heaven, by spreading peace, love, justice and happiness. By erasing selfishness, greed, money-hunger and personal profit.

God suffers if we create injustice, because he gave us free will. With free will we can decide not to sin and to love everyone.

Antisemitism, bigotry, and replacement theology all rolled into one.
On the go and just keeps on truckin'....

You don't have a clue.

 

[jewscout]

you can tell me, dear friend.

By the way I want to underline just one thing: a Christian is already a Jewish (from a religious, not cultural point of view). So I would never convert myself to Judaism because I already am Jewish.
I believe in all that is written in the Tanakh and I believe in all the values the Jews believe in. We Christians understood the sense of life, which is Universal Love.
That's why Mary, a Jewish woman decided to love all mankind and by believing that mankind can become divine, she could incarnate God in her womb.
Jesus is God made flesh.
God has created man in His image: this means that man is supposed to turn this Earth into a Heaven, by spreading peace, love, justice and happiness. By erasing selfishness, greed, money-hunger and personal profit.

God suffers if we create injustice, because he gave us free will. With free will we can decide not to sin and to love everyone.

already jewish? except for the underlying fact that everything you just professed about G-d incarnate as man is completely in opposition to the theology of Torah.

Do you keep Kosher? Laws of Family Purity? Sukkot? Do you hear a Shofar on Rosh Hashanah? how about ritual circumcision? Lay Tefillin? Tzitzit?