CMike
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It was created thousands of years ago.
There was never an independent Palestinian state.
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Palestinians under attack
- Thread starter Matemkar
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It was created thousands of years ago.
There was never an independent Palestinian state.
Matemkar
Active Member
First of all, the "article" you shared keeps mentioning of the inequality and persecutions against jews yet it does not provide real proofs.
Secondly, the only so-called proof I saw in the article was the chapter and verse numbers in Quran. Then again, it is clear, the islamophobic-iranophobic writer doesn't even know shia islam. For instance, the Arabic term WALIYY in Quran 5:51 and 5:55 sunnis and shias differ about. Sunnis like to take and interpret it as "friend". Because, if they accept its real meaning of "GUIDE/MASTER (religious-spiritual leader)", they have to accept the fact that Imam Ali was appointed by the Prophet as realigious leader and guide for Muslims after the Prophet. (see the event of Ghadir, where the Prophet calls all his companions and says "whomever I am his WALIYY, Ali is his WALIYY"). Thus, the writer doesn't even know the Quranic verse he mentions, shia muslims believe is about following a leader in religion and spirituality. Thus, it is not as the writer suggest: the verse orders to not take jews and christians as friends. It is as shia muslims suggest, the verse orders to not take them as guides in religion. And I can go on with the misinterpretations and disinformations of the islamophobic-iranophobic writer, but I think it would be a waste of time. Because the writer does not provide real proofs it would be absurd to take him serious.
Thirdly, it is clear you didn't watch the short videos I shared. Because you claim there is no jews in Iranian Parliament but if you had watched the videos, YOU COULD SEE the Iranian Parliament with Jews in it. Yet, you believe in rumors. And why is that?
"What distance is between the right and the falsehood?" they asked.
"Four fingers," the Imam Hasan (a.s) replied. "What you see with your own eye is the right. You may hear a lot of falsehoods with your ear."
And I suggest we disregard rumors and accept the facts that we see with our very own eyes. Quran, 49:6 advises us all that we investigate the things we hear, so as not to become regretful over what we say and do. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a) says the same thing, "It is enough as a mistake for a person to repeat what he hears". We really need to investigate before we judge and discuss the issues.
Will you be serious for once when you speak?
Matemkar
Active Member
I am a Kurd. But it has nothing to do with the things I discussed. Zionist invasion, killings, displacements and settlements should stop and they should give the lands to their owners.
By raping, pillaging, and oppressing the weaker people who lived there.
It wasn't a moral victory, by modern standards. But the victors write the history books.
Tom
xkatz
Well-Known Member
You are right in regards to there being a Jewish MP in Iran. You are probably right about the Quranic verse (but then again I am no scholar on Shia Islamic jurisprudence).
However, you fail to miss the point that JEWS DO NOT WANT TO BE DHIMMIS. Instead, Jews want to live where they can freely practice their religion without being treated as 2nd class citizens. For many Jews the purpose of Israel is to have a safe haven where Jews are not a minority, whose wellbeing is not dependent on the whims of despots.
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Phil25
Active Member
Made me think of how all Turkish people should go to Central Asia, because thats where they come from.
Anatolia for Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians
By your logic all Albanian Kosovans should be leaving Kosovo right now, because hey it belonged to the Serbians.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Who is creating the palestinian suffering?
You need to see this before they delete it! | Israel Video Network
You need to see this before they delete it! | Israel Video Network
CMike
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by CMike
It was created thousands of years ago.
The fact remains is that Israel was started there thousands of years ago. It had two Israeli/jewish governments.
There was never ever an independent muslim palestinian stere there...ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8
It was created thousands of years ago.
The fact remains is that Israel was started there thousands of years ago. It had two Israeli/jewish governments.
There was never ever an independent muslim palestinian stere there...ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8
CMike
Well-Known Member
I agree the arabs in judea and samaria should move back to their jordanian homeland.
This is really ridiculous. The Jews decided to abandon that land 2000 years ago. Yes, I admit this was provoked after that Jerusalem was taken and destroyed, (AD 70)
But now it's too late. The Jews have no rights over that land. It was inhabited by Palestinians for centuries and centuries. Now the Jews can't have it back, pretending that nothing happened, and by erasing History
Actually, the Jews were driven out by Hadrian's forces after they were crushed in the Third Roman-Jewish War in about 135.
Bar Kokhba revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think that might be a bit more than a "provocation".
Yeah, somethings never change.
jewscout
Religious Zionist
very true...anywho won't bring the thread off topic, so i'll let the screaming continue
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yeah, who knew, eh?
As usual, Israel is the big bad wolf and the Palestinians are the tragically oppressed ...
Hadrian was also the one who renamed the Judean province to Palestine and merged it with Syria, as part of his efforts to annihilate the Jewish nation and all remnants of it: Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Matemkar
Active Member
Why do some cherypick the things I said? As if they didn't see this:
The whites in the US might not be acting like their forefathers, same goes for the other examples you brought forward, but can it be said for the whites in the US a few centuries ago? Nope. because back then, the whites were acting just like their ancestors. So, it did not matter they were the granchildren of the first invaders. It mattered if they kept on the massacring, enslaving, and oppressing policy.
So, it really doesn't matter the zionists in occupied lands are the grandchildren of the first invaders. Because the same policy of invasion, settlements and oppression goes on. Thus, the zionist entity must come to an end.
I hope I make sense. ma salam
The whites in the US might not be acting like their forefathers, same goes for the other examples you brought forward, but can it be said for the whites in the US a few centuries ago? Nope. because back then, the whites were acting just like their ancestors. So, it did not matter they were the granchildren of the first invaders. It mattered if they kept on the massacring, enslaving, and oppressing policy.
So, it really doesn't matter the zionists in occupied lands are the grandchildren of the first invaders. Because the same policy of invasion, settlements and oppression goes on. Thus, the zionist entity must come to an end.
I hope I make sense. ma salam
Phil25
Active Member
Same logic goes for you, "Palestinians" may have owned the land but Israel owns it now. Thats a fact. Israel exists. Jews live there. 5-6 million Jews. Thats not a small number. A Palestinian cant say that because his great great grandfather owned some land, which he later sold to Jewish immigrants, he rightfully owns it. It doesnt work like that.
And btw, Israel has built numerous infrastructure there. They Turned deserts into rich green farms. The so called "Palestinians" hardly did anything. Deserts remaine d Deserts. Even the farms became deserts. But Jews did in 100 yrs what the so called "Palestinians" couldnt do for atlesat 1300 yrs. Its again a fact.
And here is a small suggestion to my Israeli brothers and sisters, if all of you guys ever have to leave Israel, just make sure that you burn and destroy every farm, building, road, airport, hospital etc. and every unmovable infrastructure that you guys or your ancestors have built, so that the so called "Palestinians" get that crappy desert land that your ancestors came to in 1880s.
^Just sayin'
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Sure, but a Jewish community from Eastern Europe claiming to own land in Israel because they believe God promised it to them is no more reasonable.
I do not wish to offend anyone - but I was born in England, and my ancestors were displaced by the Saxons, but that does not give me any right whatsoever to that land - the past is the past. What a distant relative owned generations ago is not by any right yours.
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