Palestinians under attack

[Phil25]

Maybe because it is occupied. By the way, if the Jews want that this eternal conflict stops, why don't they just leave?
Or at least, they can finally turn Israel into Palestine, remaining in that land.

They won't...because the pride of Jews is unlimited. And Judaism is all based upon the superiority of this nation over the others

I dont get this, you are saying, "why dont they just leave"? But then, where are they supposed to go?

 

[Matemkar]

I guess, the place where they came from not a century ago. Mainly to the Europe?

 

[Sunstone]

...because the pride of Jews is unlimited. And Judaism is all based upon the superiority of this nation over the others

That would be a remarkable statement -- if it were made by a talking dog or horse. But as it is, it's just another disgusting instance of antisemitism.

 

[Tarheeler]

Maybe because it is occupied. By the way, if the Jews want that this eternal conflict stops, why don't they just leave?
Or at least, they can finally turn Israel into Palestine, remaining in that land.

They won't...because the pride of Jews is unlimited. And Judaism is all based upon the superiority of this nation over the others

I don't normally participate in these these threads due to the inability to have an actual discussion, but I really feel the need to ask for clarification.

First, I see that you are suggesting the Jews leave, but there are more than just Jews in Israel. Did you mean to type "Israelis" or even "Zionists", or do you just see Jews as being the problem?

Second, where, exactly, do suggest they go? The entire reason Herzl worked so hard and long to establish a Jewish state was because Jews have been persecuted, slaughtered, and exiled from just everywhere over the course of history.

And third, if your answer to my first question is the last option, do you think that the rest of us should be rounded up and exiled as well?

 

[Estro Felino]

I dont get this, you are saying, "why dont they just leave"? But then, where are they supposed to go?

I said: well, they can even remain, but as Palestinian citizens. That is all of Israel becomes Palestine

 

[Phil25]

I guess, the place where they came from not a century ago. Mainly to the Europe?

Immigration of North Africa and M.E is already a problem in Europe. And you are suggesting more immigrants. And what about Sephardic Jews and other Jews from North Africa, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt etc. Where should they go? And what about Jews who have both Ashkenazi and Sephardic ancestry, where should they go? And what about Jews whose ancestors were from Israel itself. Those whose ancestors were in Israel, even before Theodore Herzl was born. Where should they go?

 

[Sunstone]

Immigration of North Africa and M.E is already a problem in Europe. And you are suggesting more immigrants. And what about Sephardic Jews and other Jews from North Africa, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt etc. Where should they go? And what about Jews who have both Ashkenazi and Sephardic ancestry, where should they go? And what about Jews whose ancestors were from Israel itself. Those whose ancestors were in Israel, even before Theodore Herzl was born. Where should they go?

Gee whiz! You make it sound like it's complicated!

 

[columbus]

I guess, the place where they came from not a century ago. Mainly to the Europe?

Why should the Jews move if they don't want to? Why don't all those rich Muslims and US Zionists pay for Palestinians to get a new home in a peaceful place? I'd be OK with a multibillion dollar taxpayer funded program if it provided hope for people instead of weapons.

Tom

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't normally participate in these these threads due to the inability to have an actual discussion, but I really feel the need to ask for clarification.

And third, if your answer to my first question is the last option, do you think that the rest of us should be rounded up and exiled as well?

Well...I thought that Jews and Palestinians would live pacifically. But it is evidently impossible. So the only solution is to satisfy the Palestinians' requests.
They want a Palestinian state? Then, create a Palestinian state.
I don't think it would be an enormous sacrifice. Sometimes sacrifice is necessary to attain peace.

I have nothing against the Jews. They are great people, and my personal heroes (from TV, science) are mostly Jews

 

[Phil25]

Gee whiz! You make it sound like it's complicated!

It is complicated

 

[Tarheeler]

Well...I thought that Jews and Palestinians would live pacifically. But it is evidently impossible. So the only solution is to satisfy the Palestinians' requests.
They want a Palestinian state? Then, create a Palestinian state.
I don't think it would be an enormous sacrifice. Sometimes sacrifice is necessary to attain peace.

I have nothing against the Jews. They are great people, and my personal heroes (from TV, science) are mostly Jews

So, you're not going to answer my questions then?

 

[Phil25]

So the only solution is to satisfy the Palestinians' requests.
They want a Palestinian state? Then, create a Palestinian state.
I don't think it would be an enormous sacrifice. Sometimes sacrifice is necessary to

So Jews dont matter here?

 

[Sunstone]

It is complicated

I know. I was trying to be humorous.

 

[Phil25]

I know. I was trying to be humorous.

Oh, I thought you were serious

 

[Estro Felino]

First, I see that you are suggesting the Jews leave, but there are more than just Jews in Israel. Did you mean to type "Israelis" or even "Zionists", or do you just see Jews as being the problem?

Well, mine was just an extreme suggestion. I said that they can stay. I meant the Israelis, yes. You know, the great issue is that Judaism is both a nation and a religion.

Second, where, exactly, do suggest they go? The entire reason Herzl worked so hard and long to establish a Jewish state was because Jews have been persecuted, slaughtered, and exiled from just everywhere over the course of history.

Actually nobody in America has ever persecuted them. IN Europe they would be welcome in any state

And third, if your answer to my first question is the last option, do you think that the rest of us should be rounded up and exiled as well?

Would it be a great sacrifice to be citizen of an Islamic state?

 

[Phil25]

IN Europe they would be welcome in any state




Would it be a great sacrifice to be citizen of an Islamic state?

Golden Dawn and Jobbik parties of Greece and Hungary, would be pretty happy to see Jews, wouldnt they?

Go to Iran. An Islamic State. You are guaranteed Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.

 

[columbus]

Actually nobody in America has ever persecuted them.

This is totally untrue. The USA wasn't much different from Europe up until the early part of the 20th century. Then Jews started supporting things like Unions and equal rights for black people. AntiJewish sentiment got much worse. Hitler had a portrait of Henry Ford in his office.

Tom

 

[Estro Felino]

Golden Dawn and Jobbik parties of Greece and Hungary, would be pretty happy to see Jews, wouldnt they?

Well, then I suggest them to move to Italy. We Italians are tolerant, and given that we are Mediterraneans we don't believe in idiocies like "Nordic race myth", so we are not anti-Semitic

Go to Iran. An Islamic State. You are guaranteed Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.

I meant citizens of the Palestinian republic

 

[Matemkar]

Immigration of North Africa and M.E is already a problem in Europe. And you are suggesting more immigrants. And what about Sephardic Jews and other Jews from North Africa, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt etc. Where should they go? And what about Jews who have both Ashkenazi and Sephardic ancestry, where should they go? And what about Jews whose ancestors were from Israel itself. Those whose ancestors were in Israel, even before Theodore Herzl was born. Where should they go?

I never talked about other Jews except the zionist invaders of Palestine. Why bring others into the issue when they are not the problem? As for those whose ancestors were from Palestine itself a century ago, nothing in wrong with them as long as they live peacefully just as they did a century ago.

And about the immigration problem of Europe, it was the governments there who allegedly massacred the jews and who made the Palestinians miserable by offering the Palestinian land to the jews for compensation. And do you think it is logical to offer something you don't own which is a huge mistake in order to make up an earlier mistake you did? It is not logical. So, it is a second mistake.

And what they should have done was to offer a land of their own, not a land that belongs to another nation. This is what we have always been saying.

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Gee whiz! You make it sound like it's complicated!

To hell? Nope. To some place they won't invade lands and kill and displace nations. There are many uninhabited lands in this huge world. The European govts. could offer a place of their own in order to compensate the mistake which they say they made.

Why should the Jews move if they don't want to?

Why should a thief return the things they stole if they don't want to?

Do you really think it is logical? That we should be doing anything we want even though we take the lives, lands and rights of the people away? And when faced with opposition, we do not acknowledge our mistakes? Instead we do nothing because we like the things as is?

Why don't all those rich Muslims and US Zionists pay for Palestinians to get a new home in a peaceful place?

Why not give their own peaceful home back?

 

[Tarheeler]

Well, mine was just an extreme suggestion. I said that they can stay. I meant the Israelis, yes. You know, the great issue is that Judaism is both a nation and a religion.

Actually nobody in America has ever persecuted them. IN Europe they would be welcome in any state




Would it be a great sacrifice to be citizen of an Islamic state?

Let's start with number one, shall we?
The modern state of Israel has members of all religions and many different nationalities. The notion of the Jewish people being a nation is in reference to the political identifiers of nation and state. A nation is a group of people who share a common identity, and can be based on number of things such a shared history, religion, cultural affinity, genetic ties, or a number of other criteria. A state, on the other hand, is a political organization with borders and institutions.

I really don't care if you said they can stay; you also called for all Jews leave. And that is what I wish to discuss.


On to number two.
I'm sorry, but this response shows nothing but a complete lack of knowledge concerning the United States, Europe, history, or recent events. Jews have been discriminated against since the colonization of the United States, and have suffered the same treatment over the years here as they did in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East. Today things are much better, particularly in regards to legal restrictions and protections, but it isn't always so rosy when looking at society at large. Similarly, Europe seem to becoming increasingly anti-Semitic, and Jews are being targeted fairly often.

Even if that weren't true, I don't know of a single modern country who would welcome a refugee population of close to 8 million with open arms, particularly when Europe forced that same population out less than a century ago.


And number three.
Based on your answer, I hope that you simply misunderstood my question.
I'm asking that, since you think the Jews should be removed from Israel, do you also think that Jews should be removed from all countries?