Pantheism and Deism - Richard Dawkins' comment

[Deadtroopers]

I guess we're operating on different ideas of accuracy. It's been said a lot, in science, that all humans really perceive is their own nervous system, nothing more.

I don't see how it's ironic, to be honest, I think maths is perfectly well and good.

Incidentally, do you know of any Hindu temples out in Stockport?

I live just up the road from the most cosmopolitan city in Europe. There are over ten thousand languages spoken in it. I could take you straight to a Jain temple and probably temples belonging to most strands of Hinduism. The only one I have been in however is that of the Gujerati community in Preston, maybe seventy miles north. Dedicated to Ganesh from the iconography. Bye for now.

 

[Ouroboros]

So I am neither. I don't think there's any such thing as the material or the mental

It's both and neither. The unity of opposites.

 

[Kirran]

I live just up the road from the most cosmopolitan city in Europe. There are over ten thousand languages spoken in it. I could take you straight to a Jain temple and probably temples belonging to most strands of Hinduism. The only one I have been in however is that of the Gujerati community in Preston, maybe seventy miles north. Dedicated to Ganesh from the iconography. Bye for now.

I know, I live in that city

Have a nice evening! If you eat lots of crisps, it'll soak up the beer, so you can drink more...

It's both and neither. The unity of opposites.

In my view, yes. Absolutely.

 

[Ouroboros]

In my view, yes. Absolutely.

We're of a one mind (even though we're two minds).

 

[Kirran]

We're of a one mind (even though we're two minds).

*Kirran's head explodes*

 

[Ouroboros]

*Kirran's head explodes*

Hey, don't do that. It gives me a headache! LOL!

 

[Kirran]

Hey, don't do that. It gives me a headache! LOL!

Oh, this is just too much

I assume you've looked into Advaita?

 

[Ouroboros]

I assume you've looked into Advaita?

I haven't, but from what I've seen from this website, it resonance with many things with me. I didn't even know about it before I came here.

 

[Kirran]

I haven't, but from what I've seen from this website, it resonance with many things with me. I didn't even know about it before I came here.

Well hey, check it out. Start on Wikipedia Maybe you'll find it interesting. *proselytises*

 

[Ouroboros]

Well hey, check it out. Start on Wikipedia Maybe you'll find it interesting. *proselytises*

I probably will. Over time, I've noticed I'm more of a hybridist, combining different views and ideas from different beliefs to fit my view of reality and the world. Hybridism... perhaps that's the new religion for the future?

 

[Kirran]

I probably will. Over time, I've noticed I'm more of a hybridist, combining different views and ideas from different beliefs to fit my view of reality and the world. Hybridism... perhaps that's the new religion for the future?

And we shall smite the heathen non-hybridists

 

[Ouroboros]

And we shall smite the heathen non-hybridists

Absolutely. Anyone who rejects hybrid faith, anyone who refuses to incorporate all and any religion in a big mix, anyone who stick to only one belief, will all burn for eternity in the big barbecue grill, and never have a beer to quench their thirst! Muahahaha!!!

 

[Kirran]

Absolutely. Anyone who rejects hybrid faith, anyone who refuses to incorporate all and any religion in a big mix, anyone who stick to only one belief, will all burn for eternity in the big barbecue grill, and never have a beer to quench their thirst! Muahahaha!!!

And we shall hail Ouroboros as our prophet. Hail! Hail!

EDIT: @Deidre I hope you don't mind our detour from the subject matter :/

 

[Baladas]

I agree with what he says about Pantheism, but I don't think being "sexed-up" is a bad thing.

I know, right? What's wrong with sex?!

I think he is generalizing and over-simplifying in that quote, but that's just me.

 

[Baladas]

It's both and neither. The unity of opposites.

Me three. This is how I view it too...it makes it a bit hard for me to approach mind/body discussions or even materialism/idealism ones.

Yeah...Sorry for helping to derail your thread @Deidre :/

To better address your OP:
I think that he is wrong. Deism is a faith based primarily (often entirely) on reason and experience.
It's a completely different approach to spirituality. Pantheism is to hold everything as sacred and interconnected, Atheism is the belief that there is no god/a lack of belief in god...as someone who is a Panendeist, and so is a bit of both, I can tell you that Pantheists aren't always atheists, nor atheists pantheists. He doesn't make a lot of sense when it comes down to it...I think it's a bit of a sloppy generalization.

Even if it were true, what's wrong with a little sexing up?

 

[Ouroboros]

Even if it were true, what's wrong with a little sexing up?

In other words, a better way to put it is that atheism is the sexed down pantheism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

For me, my anxiety over death is stoked up by my belief in the possibility of anti-ageing treatments coming in which could have me live indefinitely.

Do you believe in reincarnation (in a literal sense)?

Yes, I believe in literal reincarnation. We are eternal. I used to be really into transhumanism and stuff like that but that's really stemming from humanity's fear of death. I don't want to live forever in a physical body. "Death is the road to awe".

 

[LuisDantas]

“Pantheism is sexed-up atheism. Deism is watered-down theism.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

I'm not a fan of Dawkins, but having said that, it's interesting how he sees these two concepts. What say you?

He is not wrong. Which is not to say that he is exactly right, either.

There are always exceptions, but for most people those descriptions are either accurate or so close that it might take years for a practical difference to be perceived.

Of course, I am the guy who insists that any beliefs about the existence or nature of God are and should always be of strictly personal significance, so...

 

[Deidre]

He is not wrong. Which is not to say that he is exactly right, either.

There are always exceptions, but for most people those descriptions are either accurate or so close that it might take years for a practical difference to be perceived.

Of course, I am the guy who insists that any beliefs about the existence or nature of God are and should always be of strictly personal significance, so...

Good points. The problem I have with Dawkins or maybe not him at all, but his 'groupies,' is that they tend to hang on every word this man says as if he has become a secular Messiah of sorts. lol

 

[Baladas]

Good points. The problem I have with Dawkins or maybe not him at all, but his 'groupies,' is that they tend to hang on every word this man says as if he has become a secular Messiah of sorts. lol

Yeah, Dawkins has some really unlikable followers. The man himself seems pretty cool from what I can tell. I actually respect him a lot.