Pants on Fire

[Jimmy]

Assuming there were miracles then, yes, they would have been witnessed. But then we get into the "Bible as history" controversy. There's no reason that I need to take what is in the Bible literally.

And I know that in the East there are stories where the protagonist is different depending on the point of view of the teller. In the East, there's a story about an honest man who is sitting on a rock when a woman runs by and asks for help to save her from rapists. The honest man directs her to hide and then moves to a different rock. When the rapists show up and demand to know where she is, he says that no one like that has been by since he's been sitting there.

The point of the story is the moral but the honest man varies depending on the teller.

So basically what you're saying is that they lied right ? I'm just trying to learn. I don't care what you believe. I mean I care, don't get me wrong lol,but you know what I mean

 

[Jimmy]

Assuming there were miracles then, yes, they would have been witnessed. But then we get into the "Bible as history" controversy. There's no reason that I need to take what is in the Bible literally.

And I know that in the East there are stories where the protagonist is different depending on the point of view of the teller. In the East, there's a story about an honest man who is sitting on a rock when a woman runs by and asks for help to save her from rapists. The honest man directs her to hide and then moves to a different rock. When the rapists show up and demand to know where she is, he says that no one like that has been by since he's been sitting there.

The point of the story is the moral but the honest man varies depending on the teller.

I mean I would imagine nobody here would get offended if you said you believed they were lying. I know I wouldn't

 

[sun rise]

One more point about miracles. I don't rank them as important whether or not they happened. In Eastern formulations the power to do miracles is of a lower order than bringing the light of God into the world to transform.

 

[sun rise]

So basically what you're saying is that they lied right ? I'm just trying to learn. I don't care what you believe. I mean I care, don't get me wrong lol,but you know what I mean

I don't know if they lied or not. Or if they were repeating something they believed which is not necessarily true.

 

[Jimmy]

Same logic. A bunch of religions claim miracles with witnesses. saying "are the witnesses to Jesus' miracles lying?" in isolation is intellectually dishonest.

Oh my God. I'm trying to learn about Christianity. I know other religions have miracles involved but I'm not asking about them

 

[Jimmy]

I don't know if they lied or not. Or if they were repeating something they believed which is not necessarily true.

Can I ask you if you believe that he performed miracles?

 

[sun rise]

Oh my God. I'm trying to learn about Christianity. I know other religions have miracles involved but I'm not asking about them

To me the essence of Christianity is contained in the "two greatest commandments" and the Sermon on the Mount giving guidance about how to approach situations with love.

 

[rational experiences]

If you claim liar, liar pants on fire as a human euphemism, and then males in religious science creation themes talk about male sex when they die in the heavens as if his penis has not yet had sex with human females.

Then a logical human would say, as males thought about nuclear attack on Planet Earth, as a male owning that penis, as the designer, he then would have attacked his life body and male DNA and put his sexual information in atmospheric feed back.

As cause and effect....and the cloud penis is seen in a lot of cloud forms.

When you have males speaking illogical information then they are proven in their holy life/body and conscious life mind attacked, then subliminal feed back would cause them to tell fake stories. And it is proven in human male life the scientist occult designer that he did in fact attack his own life body......by what he teaches and what he believes.

Ask a theist, didn't you first use mind in a pretend theme before you reacted?

Therefore cause and effect to changed life would put a fake/pretend story into the atmosphere.

 

[Windwalker]

Why don't people believe that Jesus performed miracles? Are all the witnesses lying?

What witnesses?

 

[sun rise]

Can I ask you if you believe that he performed miracles?

Yes I do. I'm a follower of Avatar Meher Baba. Baba indicated that Jesus performed miracles because they were necessary to bring about his Crucifixion which was necessary for him to take on the suffering of the world.

 

[Jimmy]

Yes I do. I'm a follower of Avatar Meher Baba. Baba indicated that Jesus performed miracles because they were necessary to bring about his Crucifixion which was necessary for him to take on the suffering of the world.

Thank you that's insightful. I respect that there's some very intelligent people on this website. I thought that they would be able to help me figure out if what I'm reading is not fact is all

 

[Jimmy]

Yes I do. I'm a follower of Avatar Meher Baba. Baba indicated that Jesus performed miracles because they were necessary to bring about his Crucifixion which was necessary for him to take on the suffering of the world.

I just looked him up and I also learned what an avatar is that's pretty sad I didn't know that haha

 

[Jimmy]

What witnesses?

I'm just trying to learn about it. If there wasn't any witnesses then I can except that too

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Why don't people believe that Jesus performed miracles? Are all the witnesses lying?

Actually, the story goes that the deniers of this event were lying.

Matthew 28:11-15

It does make a certain amount of sense. If someone did real miracles and rose from the dead, it basically collapses organized government.

 

[Jimmy]

Which eye witnesses? We have a few that clearly had an agenda and wrote many years later. And one that never met Jesus in person that seems to have greatly changed the message.

Oh I was under the impression that the people who saw his miracles wrote it down as well. So I guess the people who wrote years later were bending the truth

 

[February-Saturday]

A lot of early Christian literature was made up of intentionally composed myths used in mystic traditions. The Gnostic texts are an example of this, and some scholars argue that so were the original Pauline epistles, although most do not.

It's possible that Jesus himself was completely made up, or a composite character that grew in legends sort of like Robin Hood or King Arthur.

There's a lot of reason to doubt that the miracles were literal events that actually occurred.

 

[Jimmy]

Actually, the story goes that the deniers of this event were lying.

Matthew 28:11-15

It does make a certain amount of sense. If someone did real miracles and rose from the dead, it basically collapses organized government.

So all the people who actually saw the miracles never wrote them down correct? It was only written down years later am I correct?

 

[Jimmy]

A lot of early Christian literature was made up of intentionally composed myths used in mystic traditions. The Gnostic texts are an example of this, and some scholars argue that so were the original Pauline epistles, although most do not.

It's possible that Jesus himself was completely made up, or a composite character that grew in legends sort of like Robin Hood or King Arthur.

There's a lot of reason to doubt that the miracles were literal events that actually occurred.

Thank you I'll look into those early writings

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I know other religions have miracles involved but I'm not asking about them

Rather my point.

 

[Jimmy]

A lot of early Christian literature was made up of intentionally composed myths used in mystic traditions. The Gnostic texts are an example of this, and some scholars argue that so were the original Pauline epistles, although most do not.

It's possible that Jesus himself was completely made up, or a composite character that grew in legends sort of like Robin Hood or King Arthur.

There's a lot of reason to doubt that the miracles were literal events that actually occurred.

Can I ask why they're called the Pauline apostles? I just googled it and it said it was written by Paul