Parenting in the US

[amorphous_constellation]

I think parenting is probably eased by a limited money supply, where only one parent has to work, and the other can devote a fuller portion of energy to raising the kids. If they print enough money, then each dollar becomes worth less, obviously, so then both the parents have chase after more of them. This is obviously a vast simplification, but I think it might be close to the foundation of the issue

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If you can simply decide to stay home, you are privileged.

I think this is an attitude of concession, where it doesn't have to be this way. Many factors in life are like this.. people want to say it's just 'the way it is' for too many things

 

[Kathryn]

Just look at what other countries have that you miss.
I don't have kids, so I might miss a lot.
- Paid leave in pregnancy with job back guarantee.
- Paid family leave.
- €250.00 per kid per month until mature and/or earning money.
- Guaranteed childcare place. (Well, in theory, this one doesn't really work.)
- Tuition free school and university.
- Basically free healthcare

That's what you'd have if you were living in Germany. Most European countries have similar perks, some exceeding ours by far.

Nothing is free. Someone is paying for it, maybe all the citizens, who knows? I'm sure it varies from country to country.

 

[Spice]

I think this is an attitude of concession, where it doesn't have to be this way. Many factors in life are like this.. people want to say it's just 'the way it is' for too many things

There is also the real world consequences of those decisions. It is not good for one's mental health in today's cultures to stay home unless the household income can afford "outings" both with and without the children/family.

One car, stay-at-home situations are no longer a norm. There generally isn't anyone available to "have over for coffee" like Lucy and Ethel. Put that reality into your imagination where the only time you leave the house is to go to the grocery store on payday. The other possibly is to pack up the children twice a day to take and pick-up daddy from work. How many men would want that situation today?

Just a few realistic thoughts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Most Trump supporters I know are not racists. They are simply against ILLEGAL immigration. Not legal immigration. ILLEGAL only. Here's what I believe - I believe that any country should know who is in their country, and I also believe that the current way to become a citizen is too expensive and takes too long.

I have to call BS on that. Most of them simply do not say the quiet parts out loud the way that tRump does.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

There is also the real world consequences of those decisions. It is not good for one's mental health in today's cultures to stay home unless the household income can afford "outings" both with and without the children/family.

One car, stay-at-home situations are no longer a norm. There generally isn't anyone available to "have over for coffee" like Lucy and Ethel. Put that reality into your imagination where the only time you leave the house is to go to the grocery store on payday. The other possibly is to pack up the children twice a day to take and pick-up daddy from work. How many men would want that situation today?

Just a few realistic thoughts.

I think maybe what you wrote hear is drawing a lot of conclusions in kind of an abstract way, but I think I get what you mean. I don't think it necessarily needs to be like you outline. You seem to imply that there wouldn't be enough to do, without work.. but I really don't know if that's true. As for the 'one car' thing.. I didn't mention that, and I'm not entirely sure if one car would need to be a typical part of alternative situation.. As for social stuff not being available, I would think that conversely, more social stuff would happen if less work was done. And I think there's actually lots of important stuff to do without the 9-5

 

[Heyo]

Nothing is free. Someone is paying for it, maybe all the citizens, who knows? I'm sure it varies from country to country.

Taxes are slightly higher here, and military spending is much, much lower.

 

[Spice]

I think maybe what you wrote hear is drawing a lot of conclusions in kind of an abstract way, but I think I get what you mean. I don't think it necessarily needs to be like you outline. You seem to imply that there wouldn't be enough to do, without work.. but I really don't know if that's true. As for the 'one car' thing.. I didn't mention that, and I'm not entirely sure if one car would need to be a typical part of alternative situation.. As for social stuff not being available, I would think that conversely, more social stuff would happen if less work was done

If a household can't afford childcare, "luxuries" must be let go. That's one of the issues in today's society. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but what I am saying is identifying and prioritizing "needs" vs. "luxuries" are individual choices, oftentimes difficult to make.

Certain moderate standards of modern living are not in the least necessary. Many more are habitatual results of living a life of plenty. But making the necessary choices is very emotional and effects mental health greatly. When you add in the factor of two adults working out these decisions, I have personal experience when one gives up more than the other, the options vanish with the relationship.

 

[Pogo]

I think parenting is probably eased by a limited money supply, where only one parent has to work, and the other can devote a fuller portion of energy to raising the kids. If they print enough money, then each dollar becomes worth less, obviously, so then both the parents have chase after more of them. This is obviously a vast simplification, but I think it might be close to the foundation of the issue

Yes that is an oversimplification so egregious that you need to go back to at least high school in your understanding of economics. Let's just say that printing money is not what you think it is.

 

[Pogo]

I think maybe what you wrote hear is drawing a lot of conclusions in kind of an abstract way, but I think I get what you mean. I don't think it necessarily needs to be like you outline. You seem to imply that there wouldn't be enough to do, without work.. but I really don't know if that's true. As for the 'one car' thing.. I didn't mention that, and I'm not entirely sure if one car would need to be a typical part of alternative situation.. As for social stuff not being available, I would think that conversely, more social stuff would happen if less work was done. And I think there's actually lots of important stuff to do without the 9-5

Necessarily no, but reality is nothing like you imagine for a great many people.

Curiosity, just what constellation do you consider to be amorphous and why?

 

[Kathryn]

I have to call BS on that. Most of them simply do not say the quiet parts out loud the way that tRump does.

Who knows? Certainly not you and certainly not me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who knows? Certainly not you and certainly not me.

You may not know. That does not mean that the rest of us bury our heads in the sand.

 

[Kathryn]

You may not know. That does not mean that the rest of us bury our heads in the sand.

Like I said, I don't know any Trump supporters who are racists. Also, I am a white woman, so they would probably reach out to me and be honest with me/ They are against ILLEGAL ALIENS, not all aliens, just the ones here illegally. How many Trump supporters do you know in real life by the way?

Here's what I believe: I believe that any country should know who is in their country, and I also believe that the current way to become a citizen is too expensive and takes too long.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like I said, I don't know any Trump supporters who are racists. Also, I am a white woman, so they would probably reach out to me and be honest with me/ They are against ILLEGAL ALIENS, not all aliens, just the ones here illegally. How many Trump supporters do you know in real life by the way?

Here's what I believe: I believe that any country should know who is in their country, and I also believe that the current way to become a citizen is too expensive and takes too long.

I am betting that you do. Burying your head in the sand does not change anything.

 

[Kathryn]

I see that you edited your previous nonsensical post. I'll repeat my question that you did not answer. How many Trump supporters do you know in real life @Subduction Zone ?

 

[Spice]

I see that you edited your previous nonsensical post. I'll repeat my question that you did not answer. How many Trump supporters do you know in real life @Subduction Zone ?

The one I know the best sure let the "n" word fly a few times last week. That's a rarity, at least around me, but not unheard of.

 

[Kathryn]

The one I know the best sure let the "n" word fly a few times last week. That's a rarity, at least around me, but not unheard of.

Oh I don't know anyone like that. You still didn't answer my question but no answer is an answer I guess.

 

[Spice]

Oh I don't know anyone like that. You still didn't answer my question but no answer is an answer I guess.

Did you pose a question to me?

 

[Kathryn]

Oh no, sorry. My post and question were both to subduction zone.

 

[Kathryn]

I see that you edited your previous nonsensical post. I'll repeat my question that you did not answer. How many Trump supporters do you know in real life @Subduction Zone ?

Still waiting for some sort of answer. Buit I guess no answer is some sort of answer.