Parenting license

[amorphous_constellation]

Ever heard of universal human rights?

well you know, if the population keeps growing then that means more private property, and therefore less places for me to walk. Is that a correct observation or not?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

With all due respect...but if we lived in a EU that cares about families instead of worshipping banksters like deities...
well...I guess children would be safeguarded more.

Why did you ignore everything I said? You didn't reply to a single point made and instead, once again, start yapping about your usual pet peeve again.
It's like no matter what the topic of the thread is, you always go back to this bs about "worshipping banksters".

Why do you even create thread topics, if you are only going to use any of those topics as new opportunities to spew your usual delusional bs about "worshipping banksters" instead of actually digging into those topics?

Perhaps just create one thread "spewing my guts on banksters" and keep it confined to that thread?

Now I am going to ask you a question (I doubt you will answer...): do you think this EU as institution does anything to protect children and families? Yes or no.

Stupid question.

Protection of children is build into every constitution.
There's no need for the EU to get into that as well.

Ironically, if the EU would create something which forces all member states to stick their nose in people's homes to tell them how they should raise their children, then people like you would be on the first row screaming about how "evil elitist banksters" have no business telling us how to raise our children.
And don't even try to pretend as if you wouldn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

well you know, if the population keeps growing then that means more private property, and therefore less places for me to walk. Is that a correct observation or not?

???

And that is related to the human rights point, how exactly?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Thoughts?

Allowing the state to decide who should or shouldn't have children sounds to me like a recipe for flagrant state overreach and authoritarianism, not to mention the vast potential for abuse and exploitation of such a law to further political agendas.

 

[bobhikes]

My children have two caring parents. We aren't married.
Marriage is not at all a requirement to be good parents.


Don't see how marriage somehow guarantees that or even raises chances of such.

This is hypothetical it is not real life. In real life the variables are far too great. For example, what would the training be but if we are going to promote the very best setup for raising children then that would have bonded parents until the children all reach adulthood. You don't want to call it marriage that is fine you would be bonded to the mate until the children are adults

 

[McBell]

I'm skeptical. I don't know. I think there were times in history where it was an obligation to reproduce, like when you needed people to take down a mammoth, or create a neolithic farm. Where does the idea of it being 'right' enter history? It seemed like a right for probably thousands of years, but it was probably more like an obligation

google "fornication under consent of king"

 

[bobhikes]

and except something that the supreme court got rid of

That is not birth control and it is also not 100 %. There are Medical reasons for not doing it.

A medical abortion isn’t a safe option if you:

• Are too far along in your pregnancy.
• Are allergic to the medications used.
• Have a pregnancy outside of your uterus (ectopic pregnancy).
• Use long-term corticosteroids.
• Have an intrauterine device (IUD). (A medical abortion is an option if you have it removed.)
• Have a blood clotting disorder, significant anemia or chronic adrenal failure.

 

[Stevicus]

This is simply not true. At least not in secular constitutional democracies that actually respect universal human rights.

Maybe it's not true in your country. In America, I've seen parents take a very "proprietary" view regarding their children.

"You're not going to give MY kid any vaccines!"
"You're not going to edumacate MY kid in your heathen theories of evolution!"

Basically, we're talking NIMBYs with kids. No free speech or freedom of religion for kids either. There are some parents who take quite a dictatorial attitude when it comes to things like that.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why did you ignore everything I said? You didn't reply to a single point made and instead, once again, start yapping about your usual pet peeve again.
It's like no matter what the topic of the thread is, you always go back to this bs about "worshipping banksters".

Why do you even create thread topics, if you are only going to use any of those topics as new opportunities to spew your usual delusional bs about "worshipping banksters" instead of actually digging into those topics?

Perhaps just create one thread "spewing my guts on banksters" and keep it confined to that thread?


Stupid question.

Protection of children is build into every constitution.
There's no need for the EU to get into that as well.

Ironically, if the EU would create something which forces all member states to stick their nose in people's homes to tell them how they should raise their children, then people like you would be on the first row screaming about how "evil elitist banksters" have no business telling us how to raise our children.
And don't even try to pretend as if you wouldn't.

First of all, this nightmarish EU is not a good place where to raise your child.

Secondly: more and more mothers regret having children. And parental regret is a very serious issue. Because nowadays many young adults are not mature enough to become parents.
Therefore we need a State that prevents them from making a mistake.

 

[Stevicus]

Well... indeed. It turns out that the famous Menendez brothers had two narcissistic parents who abused them psychologically.

Well... I don't think they should have been parents in their first place. They would be alive, now.

Yes. When I think of how many abused people in this world had to needlessly suffer years (sometimes decades) of abuse just because of some blind societal belief that "parents always know what's best for their children," it makes me feel cold. Folks like Hitler, Stalin, Mao were all the products of abusive parents. I never could understand the mentality that some people have who believe that beating the crap out of children will make them "good."

Absolutely wise and sensible stance.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Maybe it's not true in your country. In America, I've seen parents take a very "proprietary" view regarding their children.

"You're not going to give MY kid any vaccines!"
"You're not going to edumacate MY kid in your heathen theories of evolution!"

Basically, we're talking NIMBYs with kids. No free speech or freedom of religion for kids either. There are some parents who take quite a dictatorial attitude when it comes to things like that.

You are talking about beliefs and stuff. That's a very thin line. Are you saying the state should have a say in what religion, or lack thereof, parents raise their children in?
As for vaccines, if they aren't mandatory then people are allowed to refuse them. No matter how stupid it is to do so.

As for my country, there's a curriculum standard for schooling. A list of subjects you need to be educated in to get your diploma.
Homeschooling is also very hard over here. I'm not sure on the actual rules because practically nobody does it.

But if a homeschooling parent insists on teaching, say, a flat earth... then that kid is not going to pass geology / geography exams and will not be getting his diploma.

Having said all that... I doubt actual abuse of children is allowed in the US.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

First of all, this nightmarish EU is not a good place where to raise your child.

How would you know? You don't even have children.

I do. My kids do very well.

Secondly: more and more mothers regret having children.

I know a lot of mothers. I'm not aware of a single one with regrets.

And parental regret is a very serious issue. Because nowadays many young adults are not mature enough to become parents.
Therefore we need a State that prevents them from making a mistake.

Regret is something that occurs only after the facts. The idea of a third party deciding before the facts what people should or shouldn't do in their life is asinine. ESPECIALLY when it comes to children.

 

[Estro Felino]

How would you know? You don't even have children.

When the EU buildings are without banksters and similar individuals, I will think this European Union may become a very nice geographical area where to raise new generations.

I know a lot of mothers. I'm not aware of a single one with regrets.

With all due respect. You are a male.
How many intimate female friends do you have?
Because things like that are so intimate and private that only intimate friends confess to each other.

Female acquaintances don't tell these things to male acquaintances.

Regret is something that occurs only after the facts.

That's the point. The goal is to prevent the damage, before it occurs.

The idea of a third party deciding before the facts what people should or shouldn't do in their life is asinine. ESPECIALLY when it comes to children.

Isn't it asinine to intervene after the damage has been done?

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes. When I think of how many abused people in this world had to needlessly suffer years (sometimes decades) of abuse just because of some blind societal belief that "parents always know what's best for their children," it makes me feel cold. Folks like Hitler, Stalin, Mao were all the products of abusive parents. I never could understand the mentality that some people have who believe that beating the crap out of children will make them "good."

Sadism and hatred chain comes to mind.

There are parents who think that being mistreated and abused by their own parents was unfair.
So they need to make children so they can get revenge on them. That is, doing to your children what their parents did to you.
Pure sadism.

Some people think the exact opposite: since I don't want my children to experience what I went through, I won't make them.

 

[Eddi]

a new Ministry of Infancy

LOL

To exist alongside the Ministry of Truth?

No thanks!

 

[Kathryn]

What Italians decide to do is their own business, but I personally think the last thing we need in the US is another government entity.

 

[Stevicus]

You are talking about beliefs and stuff. That's a very thin line. Are you saying the state should have a say in what religion, or lack thereof, parents raise their children in?

I'm saying that children have rights, including the right to believe (or not believe) as they so choose. It's one thing for parents to be caretakers or teachers to their children, but when they turn into indoctrinators, that seems to cross the line, in my opinion. I've heard countless people speak of how they were "raised to be," only to find that, later in life, it was either all wrong, toxic, or went against conventional wisdom.

As for vaccines, if they aren't mandatory then people are allowed to refuse them. No matter how stupid it is to do so.

As for my country, there's a curriculum standard for schooling. A list of subjects you need to be educated in to get your diploma.
Homeschooling is also very hard over here. I'm not sure on the actual rules because practically nobody does it.

But if a homeschooling parent insists on teaching, say, a flat earth... then that kid is not going to pass geology / geography exams and will not be getting his diploma.

Having said all that... I doubt actual abuse of children is allowed in the US.

No, of course, abuse is not allowed in the U.S., but it's not always that easy to readily identify or enforce in any meaningful way. One might hear of some of the more extreme and atrocious examples being found out and arrested, but only after years of damage have already been caused.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

When the EU buildings are without banksters and similar individuals, I will think this European Union may become a very nice geographical area where to raise new generations.

Ah, so it has nothing to do with children or childcare, and everything with your irrational pet peeve about "them evil banksters"

With all due respect. You are a male.

My wife isn't.

How many intimate female friends do you have?

"intimate"? About 5 or 6.

Because things like that are so intimate and private that only intimate friends confess to each other.

If you say so. I'll add this to the extremely long list of where you pretend to speak for all other humans.

Female acquaintances don't tell these things to male acquaintances.

Another silly generalization from your part.

That's the point. The goal is to prevent the damage, before it occurs.

As it stands, you have utterly failed to demonstrate that there is any kind of such damage of any significance.

Isn't it asinine to intervene after the damage has been done?

No. It's why we don't throw people in jail before they commit crimes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sadism and hatred chain comes to mind.

There are parents who think that being mistreated and abused by their own parents was unfair.
So they need to make children so they can get revenge on them. That is, doing to your children what their parents did to you.
Pure sadism.

Some people think the exact opposite: since I don't want my children to experience what I went through, I won't make them.

lol, where the F do you get all this nonsense.....................................

 

[Kathryn]

With all due respect. You are a male.
How many intimate female friends do you have?
Because things like that are so intimate and private that only intimate friends confess to each other.

Female acquaintances don't tell these things to male acquaintances.

I am female and I also don't know anyone with regrets about being a parent.

That's the point. The goal is to prevent the damage, before it occurs.

Isn't it asinine to intervene after the damage has been done?

Some things are the responsibility of government and some aren't.