Parenting license

[GoodAttention]

That's exactly the point. Social services that we could improve if we were much fewer.
What I mean is that now the EU member states are obsessed with births. They give the state aid to incentivize births. But let's be honest about that: only citizens with foreign background or migrants make babies because they are drawn by that state aid for mothers (at least here, but I bet that in Germany it's foreigners who have children the most too).

But people forget of the elderly. Often abandoned in some old people's home. Do you know why? Because the EU has destroyed the Social State so they spend money on births because they need future slaves to exploit and to be squeezed by banks like lemons.
They don't need old people.

And yet the State could invest in the elderly daycare. But the EU obeys the banking cabal.

The elderly should remember themselves, and if they have the money they should pay for the services they require.

Immigrants can provide the service if trained to do so, and pay taxes on their incomes that fund their children’s services.

Grey gold — The billion Euro business of elder care

Grey gold — The billion Euro business of elder care

www.investigate-europe.eu

 

[Estro Felino]

The elderly should remember themselves, and if they have the money they should pay for the services they require.

No...dear. I have another vision.
If they are rich, they can pay for the services they require.
If they are poor, it is the State that will pay for the service they require.
That is called equity and justice.

Immigrants can provide the service if trained to do so, and pay taxes on their incomes that fund their children’s services.

Grey gold — The billion Euro business of elder care

Grey gold — The billion Euro business of elder care

www.investigate-europe.eu

Foreigners come to Europe thinking this is the El Dorado... that is why they make so many children.
They are too optimistic.

 

[GoodAttention]

No...dear. I have another vision.
If they are rich, they can pay for the services they require.

I think the rich could pay more and would improve their quality of life. Instead they sit on their money.

If they are poor, it is the State that will pay for the service they require.
That is called equity and justice.

Of course, there must be a minimum quality of life.

Foreigners come to Europe thinking this is the El Dorado... that is why they make so many children.
They are too optimistic.

You should feel blessed they see your country as the paradise that you do not.

Children are always worth the investment, regardless of who their parents are or where they come from.

 

[Estro Felino]

You should feel blessed they see your country as the paradise that you do not.

Children are always worth the investment, regardless of who their parents are or where they come from.

It's delusional.
Unfortunately there is a banking and capitalistic system that crushes the social ladder.

Let's fix the system first, then we can procreate.

 

[GoodAttention]

It's delusional.
Unfortunately there is a banking and capitalistic system that crushes the social ladder.

Let's fix the system first, then we can procreate.

We can either fix human nature or we can fix human nature.

Let us procreate first, then we become personally invested even if we should have been already.

 

[McBell]

No...dear. I have another vision.
If they are rich, they can pay for the services they require.
If they are poor, it is the State that will pay for the service they require.
That is called equity and justice.


Foreigners come to Europe thinking this is the El Dorado... that is why they make so many children.
They are too optimistic.

So the rich get punished for being rich?
And you call that "equity and justice"?

 

[Estro Felino]

So the rich get punished for being rich?

Yes...at least that's how we think in Europe.

You must be from USA...or maybe UK.

And you call that "equity and justice"?

Yes. The specific term is vertical equity in tax law.
That dissuades people from becoming excessively rich. Europe has a value: that there must not be maldistribution of wealth.
Most belonging to the same class.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I see that in Belgium you have wonderful parents. Congratulations.
Mother of the year: Geneviève Lhermitte - Wikipedia

Another comment that is neither here nor there at best, and extremely intellectually dishonest at worst.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Thank you.
Only those who work in the field know how incredibly challenging it is.

People who work in that field only see the worst of the worst.
It means nothing.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Less free space means less what

You didn't answer my question

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I was born in the eighties.
Back then the population was 4 billion. Now it has doubled.

And since then I have been trying to improve my life in all means possible. Having sex has been the last of my thoughts.
Whereas the rest of the world did nothing but multiply exponentially.

But we are the selfish...according to them.
Wow...

Actually, people today have much less children then they used to.

Practically everyone I know has grand parents, or great grand parents who had 9 to 15 siblings.
Nowadays, people tend to have 1 to 3 kids at most.

Today, on average couples have the least amount of kids they ever had in the history of human kind.
The thing is.... thanks modern medicine infant mortality is at an all-time low + life expectancy has tripled.

Back in the day people had so many children because many of them tended to not live past the age of 5.

 

[Estro Felino]

Another comment that is neither here nor there at best, and extremely intellectually dishonest at worst.

If there had been that license system in Belgium, it is 100% sure that that lady would have never been able to procreate those children and then killed them.
Or...at least...they would have been taken away from her. They would be alive.

It is a very, very, very honest argument. And the fact that you didn't even comment shows that I am right.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not until they're 18. Prior to that, they live according to the whims of their parents.

They still have rights. And parents, as caretakes, have duties also.
This is why social services can take children away from parents when their rights are systematically violated and / or the parents don't fulfill their duties as caretakers.

Not sure how you arrive at a figure of 90%.

It's actually probably more.
Religious parents raise their children in context of their own religion.
No child "chooses" christianity or islam or hinduism or whatever. They are taught / indoctrinated into it by their parents.
Same for culture, morals, etc.

Children pretty much are products of their parents in that sense.
Children can "rebel" and take on different ideas after a while, especially once they hit puberty or later, but the majority usually doesn't. Not in the great scheme of things. The vast majority of theists, tend to follow the religion of their parents.

Well, for one thing, I think we should at least disabuse society of the notion that "parents always know what's best for their children." That might be a good start.

So you would be fine with government officials entering your home and telling you how to raise your kids, what political ideology (not) to teach them, what religion (not) to teach them, etc etc?

 

[Estro Felino]

Actually, people today have much less children then they used to.

Practically everyone I know has grand parents, or great grand parents who had 9 to 15 siblings.

Because back then the mortality rate (and the children's mortality rate was incredibly high) so big families made kinda sense.
Now the mortality rate has been reduced to zero point something...so the birth rate must be reduced accordingly.

Nowadays, people tend to have 1 to 3 kids at most.

The wealthy ones...yes,..they do.

Today, on average couples have the least amount of kids they ever had in the history of human kind.
The thing is.... thanks modern medicine infant mortality is at an all-time low + life expectancy has tripled.

Back in the day people had so many children because many of them tended to not live past the age of 5.

Again. In Africa and in Asia the mortality rate has been reduced thanks to medicine, but those populations didn't decrease their birth rates accordingly.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If letting your children die is abuse, then, yes, child abuse is allowed in the US.

(Religious rights of the parents trump the right to live of the children. If parents believe in faith healing and refuse medical treatment of their children, CPS can't take away the children.)

That's nasty.

That wouldn't fly over here.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Second thought:

This is a bit hypothetical and futuristic, but I have a point.
Imagine you live on a space station or a generation ship en route to another solar system. Space is limited, air, water, food is limited and calculated for exactly the crew number that's there.
Do you think that the "human right" to procreate would trump the right of the rest of the crew to survive?
I think birth control would be one of the primary concerns.

The point being, we live on a (very big) station, hurtling through space, with limited resources. We have some reserves, but those are dwindling and don't get replaced. I.e. our current numbers are not sustainable. Should we have a right to procreate under these circumstances?

That's a good point. And a very different one then the one made in the OP

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No...dear. I have another vision.
If they are rich, they can pay for the services they require.
If they are poor, it is the State that will pay for the service they require.
That is called equity and justice.

It sort of already is the case like that in Belgium.
This gave rise to the sentiment of "make sure you don't own anything anymore by the time you need to move to the old folks home"

Foreigners come to Europe thinking this is the El Dorado... that is why they make so many children.

That's typical right-wing populism thrash talk.

That is not at all why they make many children.
Not all immigrants make many children. And those that do, you will find, come from a culture where many children is the norm.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's typical right-wing populism thrash talk.

That is not at all why they make many children.
Not all immigrants make many children. And those that do, you will find, come from a culture where many children is the norm.

This writer says: I went to Brussels. I didn't feel like I was in Europe. Because in Bruxelles the spoken language is Arabic.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If there had been that license system in Belgium, it is 100% sure that that lady would have never been able to procreate those children and then killed them.
Or...at least...they would have been taken away from her. They would be alive.

It is a very, very, very honest argument.

It's a disgusting, intellectually dishonest argument. Which is kind of also a badly disguised insult to Belgian people also.
Quite reprehensible.

And the fact that you didn't even comment shows that I am right.

I didn't comment because there is nothing to comment to such disgusting, insulting statements which are only there for trolling and trying to rile me up.
It's not gonna work. It only makes yourself look bad.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The wealthy ones...yes,..they do.

I see no difference at all in the amount of children between rich and poor folks.
That's just another one of those things you say and pretend to be true.