Parents on their way to prison for not providing medical care for child.

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The ancient Israelites were required to "wash their hands" frequently...by their own Scriptures!.

NOT for medical practice! It was for **eating** or visiting the temple only.

Of course-- the bible is rather devoid of any and all references to actual ... medicine, so that's likely where you went wrong.

@Deeje has presented a lot of referenced, peer-reviewed material detailing the dangers of transfusing blood, and revealing much safer, non-blood alternative management techniques. Did you overlook them?.

Nope. Not "peer reviewed" .... perhaps "jesus approved lies" is the term you were looking for?

Many doctors are recognizing the benefits..

Nope again--- unless by "many" you mean "a very select few who are not recognized generally by the rest of the medical community"...

Sad? Only if you refuse to acknowledge there may be safer procedures for healthcare.

LMAO!

Why do so many in that cult (JW) die from easily preventable causes?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why do so many in that cult (JW) die from easily preventable causes?

Because we don’t. Now you’re making me laugh!

Prove me wrong....post evidence, not assertions.

I’ll post my evidence later. Prepare to get inundated.

 

[Deeje]

The above? 100% about EATING. This is because during the Bronze Age, when ignorant goat-herders wrote the bible, they had no clue about germs.
Neither did they have ANY useful medicine or medical practice-- they didn't even know to wash their hands... !

Thus they were ignorant about blood transfusions-- which is NOT EATING.

Goat herders huh? Was Moses a goat herder? He was raised as the son of Pharaoh's daughter in Egypt which included the best available education. He penned the Law that Israel was to abide by, and did he just accidentally include quarantine measures in the case of communicable diseases....the burying of human waste....washing of hands and contaminated garments.....having no contact with dead bodies.....and dietary restrictions that saved the Israelites from many of the food borne diseases that plagued the nations around them?

They were not to consume blood under penalty of death. If one can be fed intravenously, then taking blood into the body via the same means is technically "eating" it. The principle still applies and the law was written before blood transfusions were even thought about.

We are not telling people that they cannot have all the blood they wish.....we are simply explaining our position scripturally. We are telling you why WE will not have blood.....the dangers are well known by the medical profession.

But you can't expect much from people who were clueless where the sun went at night....

It seems that the only people who are clueless here are those arguing with absolutely no knowledge of the subject matter.

no. That would be a false statement by you.

Another false claim by you.

An even BIGGER lie by you, compounded with the previous lies, that's what? 4? 5? in a row?

Sad, really.

Its sad that your own arguments are so poorly researched.

Did you watch the video I posted.....or is the Australian Government secretly advocating the position taken by Jehovah's Witnesses in exposing the dangers of blood transfusions? Please watch it.

https://www.blood.gov.au/media

Its not nice to accuse people of telling lies when your own claims are not substantiated. Please educate yourself.

 

[David1967]

But in their minds, praying is not being neglectful. We have to protect children and other vulnerable people from idiots who let their pastors give medical advice without a license.

You are absolutely right. Prayer should be used in addition to life saving medical treatment. Shouldn't a person who believes in God, also believe that God can use doctors in the healing process? I would choose a good doctor any day over one of these faith healer clowns. (don't even get me started on that). Personally I think that the pastor who would forbid a church member to seek medical help should be held accountable by the law as well. And if said "pastor" or religious leader threatened me with disfellowship, or ex-communication? Well, I would have one thing to say ; Bye Bye a$%%^e.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Blood is not good medicine as we have proven, and as dedicated doctors have come to realize. The shift is now towards bloodless techniques because they have been shown to be the superior treatment. Any doctor who thinks otherwise is a medical dinosaur.

Blood is precious and vitally important for treatment, so it ought not to be wasted. That's the reality behind your spin.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

They were not to consume blood under penalty of death.

False prophecy was also punishable by death.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_unfulfilled_predictions

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Because we don’t. Now you’re making me laugh!

Prove me wrong....post evidence, not assertions.

I’ll post my evidence later. Prepare to get inundated.

No-- because you do. It hardly seems a few months don't pass, before I'm reading about some poor schmuck who dies because of some stupid religious "magical evil" medical prohibition.

As for "post evidence"? Naaah.... you'll just deny it, and post more Lies For Jesus fake sites, as has happened so far.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Goat herders huh? Was Moses a goat herder? He was raised as the son of Pharaoh's daughter in Egypt which included the best available education. He penned the Law....

Nope. Here, I have to stop you -- and no, I won't be reading the rest of your post, since you begin with a flat lie.

Moses (if he even existed at all-- highly doubtful) did not write anything, nada, nothing, not a word.

Sorry about that, Chief. If you begin with a flat lie, I won't bother reading the rest of the preaching.

 

[Deeje]

Blood is precious and vitally important for treatment, so it ought not to be wasted. That's the reality behind your spin.

The "reality" behind my "spin" is the reality. If the medical experts are telling us that there is no other common procedure in medicine with the propensity to cause harm or death (morbidity and mortality) as much as blood transfusion does, then that to any intelligent person, (not indoctrinated by outdated medical practice,) is not rocket science.

Would you opt for a treatment that posed such risks if there were safer alternatives? The facts are that more people have serious complications that lead to death after transfusions, than those who choose not to receive them. This is well documented.

You want facts? There they are. We all have the same choices and understanding the risks doesn't mean that we would choose any differently for our children. Safer alternatives are available and all we would ask is that they be implemented first. It isn't just a blind religious belief....it is backed up by modern medicine.

We are not against medical practice. We don't do faith healing.... and I agree with @David 1967 that prayer would be an important adjunct to good, up to date medical care.

 

[Deeje]

Nope. Here, I have to stop you -- and no, I won't be reading the rest of your post, since you begin with a flat lie.

Moses (if he even existed at all-- highly doubtful) did not write anything, nada, nothing, not a word.

Sorry about that, Chief. If you begin with a flat lie, I won't bother reading the rest of the preaching.

Now that there is just plain funny 'Max'......I just love the way you state that with such confidence!......"Moses (if he even existed at all-- highly doubtful) did not write anything, nada, nothing, not a word."
Who told you that? And how do you know that what they have told you is true? (Was it conveyed in the cone of silence perhaps?)

You see, that's what is funny. You don't see that you are guilty of what you accuse others of doing. You believe something with no real evidence because that is what you want to believe. That is your choice, and we have ours.....OK?

 

[RedhorseWoman]

Goat herders huh? Was Moses a goat herder? He was raised as the son of Pharaoh's daughter in Egypt which included the best available education. He penned the Law that Israel was to abide by, and did he just accidentally include quarantine measures in the case of communicable diseases....the burying of human waste....washing of hands and contaminated garments.....having no contact with dead bodies.....and dietary restrictions that saved the Israelites from many of the food borne diseases that plagued the nations around them?

They were not to consume blood under penalty of death. If one can be fed intravenously, then taking blood into the body via the same means is technically "eating" it. The principle still applies and the law was written before blood transfusions were even thought about.

We are not telling people that they cannot have all the blood they wish.....we are simply explaining our position scripturally. We are telling you why WE will not have blood.....the dangers are well known by the medical profession.



It seems that the only people who are clueless here are those arguing with absolutely no knowledge of the subject matter.



Its sad that your own arguments are so poorly researched.

Did you watch the video I posted.....or is the Australian Government secretly advocating the position taken by Jehovah's Witnesses in exposing the dangers of blood transfusions? Please watch it.

https://www.blood.gov.au/media

Its not nice to accuse people of telling lies when your own claims are not substantiated. Please educate yourself.

No, taking blood through a transfusion is not "technically eating it." As you said, "It's sad that your own arguments are so poorly researched."

A person who is malnourished is not given a blood transfusion to nourish them. If a hospital did that, the person would die. Blood taken intravenously is not food...it is a carrier of nutrients but it cannot nourish the body on its own. You need to do some research rather than simply parroting the invalid "talking points" that JWs constantly use. This argument has been debunked multiple times, but you still stick to it.

For blood to be utilized as food, it would first have to be literally eaten and then pass through the digestive tract. That these are the facts can be readily seen from simply considering why it is that a doctor would prescribe a blood transfusion. Would he do it because a patient is malnourished and needs a good meal? Of course not. He orders the transfusion because the patient lacks the ability to transport oxygen to his cells in sufficient quantity.

On this argument rests the entire blood prohibition. Is the argument valid?

Definitely not! Consider the case where two patients are admitted to a hospital because they are not able to eat and thus sustain themselves. One patient is given a blood transfusion, whereas the other is given I.V. Dextrose or the equivalent. Which one will live? Obviously, it is the one given I.V. Dextrose which can actually be used by the body as food. The patient given the blood transfusion will die because blood is not food, but simply the vehicle used to transport it.

http://ajwrb.org/is-a-blood-transfusion-a-meal

 

[RedhorseWoman]

The "reality" behind my "spin" is the reality. If the medical experts are telling us that there is no other common procedure in medicine with the propensity to cause harm or death (morbidity and mortality) as much as blood transfusion does, then that to any intelligent person, (not indoctrinated by outdated medical practice,) is not rocket science.

Would you opt for a treatment that posed such risks if there were safer alternatives? The facts are that more people have serious complications that lead to death after transfusions, than those who choose not to receive them. This is well documented.

You want facts? There they are. We all have the same choices and understanding the risks doesn't mean that we would choose any differently for our children. Safer alternatives are available and all we would ask is that they be implemented first. It isn't just a blind religious belief....it is backed up by modern medicine.

We are not against medical practice. We don't do faith healing.... and I agree with @David 1967 that prayer would be an important adjunct to good, up to date medical care.

You speak of "safer alternatives." I do agree that I, personally, would opt for a safer alternative, but there is a caveat. If a person has suffered a traumatic injury, or, like my father, was bleeding out due to the inability of his blood to clot, then there is no "safer alternative." The only thing that can save a person's life in that situation is a blood transfusion.

JWs opt for death in those situations and not for a "safer alternative" simply because there is none. JWs literally worship the symbol of life and are willing to sacrifice their own lives and the lives of their children in this abominable "worship" of a symbol rather than understanding that the whole prohibition was a way for humans to show respect for the life they were taking in order to sustain their own lives.

 

[nPeace]

The problem has absolutely nothing to do with following what Christ required. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention the use of blood for medical purposes. It mentions only eating the blood of an animal killed for food. The pouring out of the animal's blood was showing respect for life. JWs twist this injunction to sacrifice life in order to preserve the symbol of life.

What are you claiming is not the truth? Your comment was in response to my statement about allowed and disallowed fractions of blood. Are you saying that the WTS has never come out listing allowed fractions of blood that are considered to be a conscience matter? If you aren't aware of what your leaders allow you to accept with regards to medical treatment involving blood fractions, then I suggest you start researching your publications to find out what they will allow you to do.

Doesn't your "No Blood" card have a least a partial list of allowed blood fractions? You should check it.

The question, however, was where in the Bible does it list approved and disapproved blood fractions? I'm not aware of any scriptures that do so. These dos and don't s are simply the opinions of your leaders and nothing more...but not knowing what they allow you to do could have serious consequences.

I asked the question about pornography for a reason, and the scripture was also for a reason.
Scriptures do not specify laws on everything under the sun.
Hence, there is a need for individuals to be spiritually mature in order to be able to distinguish right from wrong.

They live by principles, so where no direct law on a particular subject, the mature persons are able to use their powers of reason to make decisions, based on their Bible trained conscience.
In other words, because the person makes it a practice to be guided by principles, they don't need a law for every action they take. They are able to perceive what's right or wrong because they understand the principles involved.

One still on the milk - a spiritual babe would not be able to do so. This is why some run into problems where the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are concerned. They don't understand anything - that's anything - about Jehovah's arrangement. They find themselves on a level of an unbeliever - not because they can't mature, but because they become bench-warmers, for one reason or other.
1 Corinthians 3:2, 3
2 I fed you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet strong enough. In fact, neither are you strong enough now, 3 for you are still fleshly.

Thanks to the faithful and discrete slave - Governing Body, there is much food at the right time, to help persons to grow to spiritual maturity, in the truth.

This is where the problem lies. Most people, including some who associate with Jehovah's Witnesses, do not respect God's authority. They think they are so special - think too much of themselves, to humble themselves under Jehovah's arrangements. On one hand, it's sad when persons rebel, but on the other... I am glad.
I am glad when they are rooted out, and exposed for what they are.

It reminds me of when Jehovah opened the earth, and swallowed
Korah, Dathan and Abirum for rebelling against the one Jehovah appointed to instruct the people in his ways. I could imagine how Caleb and Joshua felt when Jehovah removed the rebels - preventing them from entering the promised land. Sad that they acted foolishly, but glad they got what they deserved.

You see, while God's faithful servants benefit from his channel of spiritual food - Matthew 24:45 - what channel are you feeding from?
Can you really say you can identify God's channel for distributing spiritual food? He alway had one.

Sadly, it appears you did not pay attention to it, otherwise you would understand what was said about blood, and - not just fractions, because blood fractions is not a must, and for many Jehovah's Witnesses it is not on their list of alternative medicine.
So it appears once again you have been misinformed.
Bloodless medicine is vastly varied.

I gave you the opportunity to get the facts for yourself. It's entirety up to you.

You were the one who asked me to provide a newspaper article about the JW in my home congregation who committed a murder, right? Sorry that that case was too old to have anything that I could locate on the web.

However, here are some links to information about other criminal JWs that you might enjoy. Basically, JWs are no better than any other groups. They aren't more honest or crime-free...they just tend to hide it better.

Crimes committed by Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide:

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/crimes-committed-jehovahs-witnesses/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ma-executes-Jehovahs-Witness-rape-murder.html

And all you need to do is utilize Google. There's quite a bit of information out there.

Nope. Not me.
I find this quite silly actually. Why would I want to know what each Jehovah's Witness does?
Do I worship them? Am I living in a pipe dream, as some people seem to be, thinking that all of Jehovah's Witnesses do what is right, or are genuine, or should be perfect? Mind boggling!
Look at yourself for example... do you think you are the first and only person raised among Jehovah's Witnesses, to object to, and oppose their teachings? Get a grip - there are thousands like yourself.
You are just another human, like all of us.
There are millions of Witnesses who are faithful. Why should I want to know about what the other percent does? This seems like a joke... but one not to laugh at.

By the way, there was some information given by the faithful and discrete slave - Governing Body, at our last Circuit assembly, pointing out certain cautions to prevent us from talking with apostates, or those who rebel and associate themselves with apostates.
So, since I recognize the channel Jehovah uses to direct his earthly organization - note, organization - and I respect Jehovah's authority, @RedhorseWoman Sayonara.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Crimes committed by Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide:

https://avoidjw.org/en/avoiding-witnesses/crimes-committed-jehovahs-witnesses/

The 1st case, Anthony Rozelle Banks...did you even read it?
http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b1/banks-anthony.htm
He became a Witness, after the fact, while on Death Row!!

More misinformation. Why am I not surprised?

So..."avoidjw.org" does not support accuracy. I'd "avoid" them! I doubt you will.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Now that there is just plain funny 'Max'......I just love the way you state that with such confidence!......"Moses (if he even existed at all-- highly doubtful) did not write anything, nada, nothing, not a word."
Who told you that? And how do you know that what they have told you is true? (Was it conveyed in the cone of silence perhaps?)

You see, that's what is funny. You don't see that you are guilty of what you accuse others of doing. You believe something with no real evidence because that is what you want to believe. That is your choice, and we have ours.....OK?

No, bub-- it is YOU who made an Absolute Claim: "Moses wrote parts of the bible, yadda-yadda-yadda"

So it is YOU who must PROVE such a ludicrous statement, not I.

WHO TOLD YOU MOSES WROTE THE BIBLE? They were either lying or mistaken.

NO EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The "reality" behind my "spin" is the reality. If the medical experts are telling us that there is no other common procedure in medicine with the propensity to cause harm or death (morbidity and mortality) as much as blood transfusion does, then that to any intelligent person, (not indoctrinated by outdated medical practice,) is not rocket science.

Would you opt for a treatment that posed such risks if there were safer alternatives? The facts are that more people have serious complications that lead to death after transfusions, than those who choose not to receive them. This is well documented.

You want facts? There they are. We all have the same choices and understanding the risks doesn't mean that we would choose any differently for our children. Safer alternatives are available and all we would ask is that they be implemented first. It isn't just a blind religious belief....it is backed up by modern medicine.

We are not against medical practice. We don't do faith healing.... and I agree with @David 1967 that prayer would be an important adjunct to good, up to date medical care.

Claims without evidence.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Hey, nPeace. hope you are well.

It reminds me of when Jehovah opened the earth, and swallowed
Korah, Dathan and Abirum for rebelling against the one Jehovah appointed to instruct the people in his ways. I could imagine how Caleb and Joshua felt when Jehovah removed the rebels - preventing them from entering the promised land. Sad that they acted foolishly, but glad they got what they deserved.

The Bible says about Korah and his supporters, 'they went alive down into Sheol'!
We know those going to Sheol, will have a Resurrection! Isn't that something? Outright rebels, and Jehovah will resurrect them. Now that is Our Loving God, Jehovah!

Take care

 

[RedhorseWoman]

I asked the question about pornography for a reason, and the scripture was also for a reason.
Scriptures do not specify laws on everything under the sun.
Hence, there is a need for individuals to be spiritually mature in order to be able to distinguish right from wrong.

They live by principles, so where no direct law on a particular subject, the mature persons are able to use their powers of reason to make decisions, based on their Bible trained conscience.
In other words, because the person makes it a practice to be guided by principles, they don't need a law for every action they take. They are able to perceive what's right or wrong because they understand the principles involved.

Ah, yes, I know all about the "principles" that the GB use to dupe JWs into accepting anything they tell the rank and file. You pride yourself on being "spiritually mature" when you can accept and teach as truth something that is absurd and that has absolutely nothing to do with Biblical principles. Any JW who critically looks at the ever-changing "truth" emanating from the Watchtower is consider to be "spiritually weak" or an "independent thinker" (which, as all JWs know, is something to be avoided like the plague) and they are often also considered to be "bad association" and those who speak against the "Slave" and are disobedient to Jehovah.

It's control nPeace, but you can't see it, and you will, I'm sure vehemently deny it.

One still on the milk - a spiritual babe would not be able to do so. This is why some run into problems where the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are concerned. They don't understand anything - that's anything - about Jehovah's arrangement. They find themselves on a level of an unbeliever - not because they can't mature, but because they become bench-warmers, for one reason or other.
1 Corinthians 3:2, 3
2 I fed you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet strong enough. In fact, neither are you strong enough now, 3 for you are still fleshly.

Yes, anyone who actually THINKS about things and doesn't blindly just smile and swallow whatever the GB dishes out (which is only opinions of men) is not "mature in the Truth." Poppycock! Those who are considered to be "spiritually mature" are those who are being led around by a ring in their nose and who get all excited at every instance of "new light" even if that "new light" is a total contradiction to the "truth" they believed a day before.

Thanks to the faithful and discrete slave - Governing Body, there is much food at the right time, to help persons to grow to spiritual maturity, in the truth.

How do you explain the "food at the right time" that you received a day, a week, a month before that is now thrown on the trash heap? Was it really "food at the right time" if it is now not enhanced but discarded? Was that now "rotten food" that you must discard "food at the right time" or just men's opinions that the GB has had to change because it was proven to be absolutely false?

This is where the problem lies. Most people, including some who associate with Jehovah's Witnesses, do not respect God's authority. They think they are so special - think too much of themselves, to humble themselves under Jehovah's arrangements. On one hand, it's sad when persons rebel, but on the other... I am glad.
I am glad when they are rooted out, and exposed for what they are.

Actually, those who question and even oppose the self-appointed Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses respect God's authority much more so than the JWs who blindly follow men and who meekly accept every human opinion as "truth" and "food from God."

It reminds me of when Jehovah opened the earth, and swallowed
Korah, Dathan and Abirum for rebelling against the one Jehovah appointed to instruct the people in his ways. I could imagine how Caleb and Joshua felt when Jehovah removed the rebels - preventing them from entering the promised land. Sad that they acted foolishly, but glad they got what they deserved.

The problem with this example is that Jehovah did NOT appoint the Watchtower leaders. They appointed themselves.

You see, while God's faithful servants benefit from his channel of spiritual food - Matthew 24:45 - what channel are you feeding from?
Can you really say you can identify God's channel for distributing spiritual food? He alway had one.

Can you honestly say that you benefit from what the JW leaders are doing? They have you out there pushing their literature and contributing your time and resources to benefit themselves. They, with their ever-changing doctrines are most certainly NOT "God's channel."

Sadly, it appears you did not pay attention to it, otherwise you would understand what was said about blood, and - not just fractions, because blood fractions is not a must, and for many Jehovah's Witnesses it is not on their list of alternative medicine.

Oh, I most certainly DID pay attention and initially, before the GB started nit-picking the doctrine to death, thought that I did understand what was said about blood. I also "understood" what was said about organ transplants being cannibalistic until I found out (after I had become inactive) that that "truth from God" was trashed. How many JWs refused, for instance, a cornea transplant and went blind because of believing the lie that the GB was teaching at the time? How about those who died from kidney failure because they believed?

And how many JWs believed the clap trap that the GB was promoting about people who accepted a blood transfusion utilizing the donated blood of a criminal who then became criminals themselves because the criminal's personality was transfused into them?

The Watchtower has not been content just to exaggerate real threats. In line with claims about alleged personality changes as a result of vaccinations and organ transplants, it appealed to the same sort of quack scientists:

“Criminals in jail are given the opportunity to donate their blood. For example, the New York Times of April 6, 1961, reported: “Inmates of Sing Sing Prison at Ossining will give blood to the Red Cross today.” A commendable act? Perhaps not as beneficial to their fellow men as the community is led to believe. . . . in his book Who Is Your Doctor and Why? Doctor Alonzo Jay Shadman says: “The blood in any person is in reality the person himself. It contains all the peculiarities of the individual from whence it comes. This includes hereditary taints, disease susceptibilities, poisons due to personal living, eating and drinking habits. . . . The poisons that produce the impulse to commit suicide, murder, or steal are in the blood.”



“… Dr. Américo Valério, Brazilian doctor and surgeon for over forty years, agrees. “Moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes – these often follow in the wake of blood transfusion,” he says. Yet it is acknowledged in the public press that organizations whose blood supply is considered reliable obtain blood for transfusion from criminals who are known to have such characteristics.” (The Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1961, p. 564)

So according to the Watchtower a blood transfusion can give you a criminal’s personality. We ask what is more astonishing: that the Watchtower actually publishes such rubbish or that it was able to dig up “experts” who agreed with them? We know first had that this quackery and fear mongering was believed by many Witnesses and probably still is by many older ones.

http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-blood-propaganda

So it appears once again you have been misinformed.
Bloodless medicine is vastly varied.

I gave you the opportunity to get the facts for yourself. It's entirety up to you.

No, not misinformed. You, however, obviously did not comprehend what I posted, did you? I agreed that bloodless medicine can definitely be the preferred option IF the person is having elective surgery. However, bloodless medicine is NOT an option in traumatic cases where the person is bleeding out. The ONLY viable option is a blood transfusion. JWs, however, prefer to sacrifice themselves and their children to the symbol of life in these cases rather than showing respect for the life they have been given.

Nope. Not me.
I find this quite silly actually. Why would I want to know what each Jehovah's Witness does?
Do I worship them? Am I living in a pipe dream, as some people seem to be, thinking that all of Jehovah's Witnesses do what is right, or are genuine, or should be perfect? Mind boggling!

Okay...sorry. Wasn't sure who had demanded that proof and I was too lazy to go back and find out.

Look at yourself for example... do you think you are the first and only person raised among Jehovah's Witnesses, to object to, and oppose their teachings? Get a grip - there are thousands like yourself.
You are just another human, like all of us.
There are millions of Witnesses who are faithful. Why should I want to know about what the other percent does? This seems like a joke... but one not to laugh at.

Thankfully, no I know I'm not the only person telling the truth about the "Truth." I'm sure that the WTS hates the idea that there are, by now, probably millions of former JWs out here with a good portion of them being outspoken against this truly dangerous religion.

By the way, there was some information given by the faithful and discrete slave - Governing Body, at our last Circuit assembly, pointing out certain cautions to prevent us from talking with apostates, or those who rebel and associate themselves with apostates.
So, since I recognize the channel Jehovah uses to direct his earthly organization - note, organization - and I respect Jehovah's authority, @RedhorseWoman Sayonara.

Doesn't that give you pause? WHY don't they want you talking with apostates? If we're all such "liars" and "disgruntled former members" what is it about us that they fear so much? Why do they feel compelled to try to control everything you do? Why have they initiated lawsuits against former members to force them to shut down websites exposing the organization? They fear us because they know that their lies will be exposed...one after the other...and many thinking JWs read, research and then leave when THEY discover the truth about the "Truth" that your leaders prefer to keep hidden.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, bub-- it is YOU who made an Absolute Claim: "Moses wrote parts of the bible, yadda-yadda-yadda"

So it is YOU who must PROVE such a ludicrous statement, not I.

WHO TOLD YOU MOSES WROTE THE BIBLE? They were either lying or mistaken.

NO EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT.

Something that Christians should consider:

 

[RedhorseWoman]

The 1st case, Anthony Rozelle Banks...did you even read it?
http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b1/banks-anthony.htm
He became a Witness, after the fact, while on Death Row!!

More misinformation. Why am I not surprised?

So..."avoidjw.org" does not support accuracy. I'd "avoid" them! I doubt you will.

Okay...my bad...I did a really quick check but, obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it should have been.

Here's more, though, for your enjoyment(?)

http://www.silentlambs.org/murderjwfathers.htm