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Parents on their way to prison for not providing medical care for child.
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Bob the Unbeliever
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Well, you know that "pleasant surprise" he speaks about would be yours only if you were lucky enough to die before God starts destroying all of the "wicked" (i.e. any who are not JWs or judged by God as having the right "heart condition" to become JWs if only they have the opportunity to do so.)
If you should be lucky enough to die and be resurrected, you would then be given the chance to accept the JW teachings. If you didn't come around to their way of thinking, God would destroy you on the spot.
Better, I suppose, than burning in Hell.
Actually? Considering the nature and immorality of their god (as they describe), that is actually better...
Bob the Unbeliever
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Bob the Unbeliever
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@Bob the Unbeliever , FYI, your signature,
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurius (341-270 BC)",
is answered in my links.
I guess some prefer to stay uninformed, huh?
,(BTW, it's "Epicurus" , without the second "i")
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurius (341-270 BC)",
is answered in my links.
I guess some prefer to stay uninformed, huh?
,(BTW, it's "Epicurus" , without the second "i")
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
nope... none of your "answers" actually addressed the conundrum posed by an ancient Greek philosopher.
This is likely because your Brand is so very new, and really, brings nothing useful to the table...
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
THIS. This is the behavior of a Deadbeat Dad. THIS is the behavior of a "parent" who literally lets his kids play out in heavy traffic-- with nary a thought to their subsequent injuries.
THIS is the face of evil-- and it describes your god... too well.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
OR? There is another hypothesis that explains everything: your god's "behavior" is the EXACT same as no gods of any sort....
Exactly the same.
Hmmmmmmmmm......... .
Ex nihilo, nihil fit
Someone on here -- and I'm sure probably quite a few people agree -- that JW's are no different, morally, than others. We aren't any better,....we do feel we have a better way of life, trying to live by Jehovah's...ie., the Bible's..... standards.
To support this pov, here is an excerpt from a book entitled,"How to Be Invisible", by J J Luna:
**In cleaning your home**
"If you have secrets to protect.....use....SDA, Jehovah's Witnesses, or LDS.....They believe their Creator is watching them, and they would rather die than steal."
---link to full text: https://archive.org/stream/How_To_B...y_Your_Assets_and_Your_Life_J_J_Luna_djvu.txt
This is a good witness!
@Katzpur I thought you'd enjoy this, too.
To support this pov, here is an excerpt from a book entitled,"How to Be Invisible", by J J Luna:
**In cleaning your home**
"If you have secrets to protect.....use....SDA, Jehovah's Witnesses, or LDS.....They believe their Creator is watching them, and they would rather die than steal."
---link to full text: https://archive.org/stream/How_To_B...y_Your_Assets_and_Your_Life_J_J_Luna_djvu.txt
This is a good witness!
@Katzpur I thought you'd enjoy this, too.
RedhorseWoman
Active Member
What is really funny, though, is that despite the fact that the Society has warned JWs repeatedly to stay away from any sites (discussion/debate boards, chat rooms, blogs, websites, etc.) where disfellowshipped, disassociated and apostate exJWs might be posting, they seem to totally forget that "their Creator is watching them." The only ones they worry about are men. As long as other JWs don't know about their doings and report them to the elders, they don't care that Jehovah is watching them, and, according to their leaders, disapproving of their actions.
Do you get the impression that there are certain people posting on this thread who have their fingers firmly in their ears, whistling Dixie? That is their choice of course.
I guess some people just don't want to be told what to do by anyone....and yet Jehovah has always had his people directed by men he had chosen for the position. Those who didn't like it and complained, sure ended up wishing they hadn't.
No wonder Jesus said that these last days would be like the days of Noah. It's going to take something visual to get their attention, but by then it will be too late. It wasn't Noah who closed the door of the ark....nor was it he who decided who perished in the flood.
I wonder why those who leave don't obey Jesus and go out to preach about Gods kingdom? Why don't they form themselves into the one true religion if they are so sure that our GB are not the "faithful and discreet slave"? If they have all the answers, then perhaps they can point that slave out to us so that we can eat at his table too?
I don't understand.....? They must know who he is, surely?
Perhaps we should mention that on sites like this, we address questions for the sake of interested ones who may benefit from the information. It's not like we enjoy talking to disgruntled people.
They were in the video that you didn't watch.
It's hard to claim no evidence when you ignored it several times.
Watch the video......
then tell me there is no evidence.
That's why He gave us a conscience, and the Bible!!
Really, You should think out your responses.
"With humility, consider others as superior to you."
"Husbands, love your wives as the Christ loved the congregation."
"Wives should deeply respect their husbands."
"Abstain... from fornication."
"Let children be obedient to their parents."
"Become kind to one another."
"Quick about hearing, slow about speaking."
"Love your brothers."
"Love your enemies."
"Become...tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving."
"Clothe yourselves with love, a perfect bond of union."
Etc., etc., etc.
Fine counsel...if you're willing to accept, you can actually receive Jehovah's spirit to help you apply it and you recognize it comes from Him.
But I'm sure you've never felt it.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
I don't read Latin, and I'm too lazy to bother with Google Translate.
But. If you agree that your god's "actions" are exactly the same as "no gods of any kind", then Spot On!
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
They were in the video that you didn't watch.
It's hard to claim no evidence when you ignored it several times.
Watch the video......
LMAO! An anonymous YouTube VIDEO is your.... ahem.... "evidence"?
Oh! My! That's the FUNNIEST THING I HAVE READ ALL WEEK-- and it's Saturday! A WHOLE WEEK of silly comments-- but YOURS WINS.
Dude! YouTube IS NOT EVIDENCE!
Edit: I have been schooled: DUDETTE is the correct form, here. Sorry about that, I in no way intended to inpune anyone's gender.
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Subduction Zone
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Bob the Unbeliever
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The very ugly, and immoral bible?
The same book that TELLS YOU HOW TO SELL YOUR DAUGHTER INTO SLAVERY?
The same book that TELLS RAPE VICTIMS THEY MUST MARRY THE PERP?
The same book that TELLS PARENTS TO MURDER THEIR SMART-MOUTH KIDS?
You call such an EVIL collection of garbage..... "conscience"?
Oh! My! That is even FUNNIER THAN CLAIMING A YOUTUBE VIDEO IS .... "EVIDENCE"!!
LOL!
Bob the Unbeliever
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Thanks! Although in my defense, I typically use the term "Dude" to be 100% sexless...
Dude?
Correct me if I am wrong...but you are from the older generation like me. Age should bring some maturity and at least a sound knowledge base in the subject you are debating. That, along with the propensity to continue to learn and to corrrect former ways of thinking if you see evidence for correction.....IMO, you appear to be scared to learn anything that disagrees with your former thinking or current opinion.It wasn't just a YouTube video. It was put up on the Australian Government website regarding the dangers of blood transfusions and the warnings are coming from experts in this field of medicine. You didn't watch it, did you? Too scared. Too bigoted? Too proud to learn something you don't want to know? That is your choice, but it is ignorant in the extreme to reject knowledge that is substantiated by people who deal with these issues on a daily basis and continue to add to their own knowledge base through ongoing experience. They understand the dangers that you apparently discount out of hand. Why? Do you claim to know better than them? Do the words "morbidity" and "mortality" fall on deaf ears?
If you have no desire to learn anything that might cause you to change your mind, then please understand that those who have bothered to watch the video will now be seeing your view for what it is....completely ignorant. Any credibility you may have thought you had, is gone.....you have shot yourself in the foot. "Sorry about that Chief".
It is no surprise. It fits perfectly with the tone of all your posts. I'm surprised you madecthe correction actually.
My gender alters nothing in this issue.
RedhorseWoman
Active Member
This counsel is, of course, excellent. Too bad that JWs don't follow it. Some examples:
"Husbands, love your wives as the Christ loved the congregation"...but, if you are a wife beater and abuser, don't worry because the elders will counsel her to be more submissive to you.
"Wives should deeply respect their husbands" no matter what their husbands do to them and they should always submit to anything their husband wants. They are, after all, female and of little consequence in the JW organization.
"Let children be obedient to the parents" and if those children should ever dare to question the authority of the JW organization or state that the JW religion simply isn't right for them, kick those children to the curb, throw them out of the house, and make sure you shun them until they crawl back to the JW religion and "repent" for the sin of thinking for themselves and making a choice about how they want to live their lives.
"Love your brothers" if they happen to be in the right clique. Otherwise, it's okay to shunt them to the side and ignore them...they don't count.
"Love your enemies" but make sure that you despise and hate any people who make the mistake of leaving the JW organization. They are "apostates" and you should never express love for them.
"Become...tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving" as long as it doesn't involve a former member, in which case you should make up lies about them in order to pretend that they are disgusting immoral people so that you can feel justified in hating them. And, of course, if you should learn of any "sin" committed by any JW member, make sure you immediately run to the elders and report them.
Etc., etc., etc.