Let me address this first....
The "verified proof" is coming, just like it did in Noah's day. Are you willing to wait?
LOL The JW religion has been around for over a hundred years, with all of its various leaders and groups of leaders declaring that they are the only "channel used by God" and they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave spoken of in scriptures. All of these men have appointed themselves without any proof other than what they declare, and you have the temerity to suggest that we need to
wait for proof that is coming? In the meantime, however, you and the rest of the JWs are being compelled to obey everything these
unverified representatives of God spew out on a regular basis.
Do you have verified proof that they aren't appointed by Jehovah when they have accomplished what no other global brotherhood has done?.....who else is preaching the kingdom message as one united body in all the world? Christendom has no idea what the kingdom is, and strangely none of them have ever knocked on my door to tell me anything about the Bible. Did Jesus sit in a building and wait for the sheep to come to him? NO! He sent his disciples out to search for them. (Matthew 10:11-15)
I don't know if you're aware of this, but long before the JW religion came on the scene, other Christian religions were busy preaching the Kingdom message. If they hadn't done the job, the JWs would not exist today. Do you ever think about what you're saying?
Total hogwash. No one has to submit to physical abuse. Elders give scriptural counsel from the Bible but ultimately, it is up to the one being abused to take whatever action they consider necessary. The Bible allows for separation on serious grounds. But unlike the world, we do not throw marriages away on flimsy grounds because divorce is something Jehovah hates. (Malachi 2:16) The majority of families are not as you describe.
Oh, yes, isn't it nice that the JW elders
allow a battered woman to seek a separation (as, of course, a last resort.) Here are a few testimonies from actual battered women stating what kind of actual advice they received from the elders:
Babs Mason on
December 13, 2013 at 10:50 pm said:
Thank you for doing this as both my daughter and I were victims of domestic violence when we were married to a witness. My daughter was told to go back to her abuser or be disfelllowshippewd and she took her life. No one told me what was going on until after she was dead. Then 4 years after that I lost everything I owned and had to flee 4,000 miles to protect my life and the elders did nothing to help me but they supported him while I was in a shelter for domestic violence for 6 weeks. My health was ruined and I was dying from the stress. Feb of this year I left the borg but my life will be forever altered.
Regina Booth on
June 6, 2016 at 4:50 pm said:
I’m so sorry! They did the same thing to me and my children. My husband was not a JW and I was. My husband lit one of our children’s crotch on fire with his cigarette lighter(just burned through his clothes and down to his pubic hair and we smothered it out)for fun, after years of abuse. Our child drank bleach to try and kill himself. The elders supported our abuser. Told me to be more loving and supportive. When I filled for divorce, they asked me to leave the congregation as they wished to support our abuser( a non JW). The end of my marriage marked the start of a additional 2 year nightmare in the congregation.
http://aawa.co/blog/exposing-the-watchtowers-flawed-domestic-violence-policy/
There's lots more information out there along with testimonies about the fine
advice doled out by uneducated, idiot elders.
Are there those who pretend to be Christians but show another face behind closed doors? Of course there are, but Jehovah knows who they are, just as he knows who the apostates are. He will deal with them. (Hebrews 10:26-31)
Those who pretend to be Christians. I think many JWs should be very, very afraid.
More hogwash. It is headship, not dictatorship. Females are an important part of our organization. They carry out the bulk of the preaching work....and participate in building projects right alongside their brothers.
Are they in competition with men?....NO! because we see no need to compete with them. They have their assigned role and so do we. I haven't come across anyone but a disgruntled rebel who has a problem with that arrangement.
Yep, females carry out the bulk of the preaching work. Females are also allowed to clean the toilets in the Kingdom Halls. But an intelligent female cannot hold any position of authority in the Watchtower organization, and she must submit to a male who is far inferior to her in many ways. In fact, if there is a pre-pubescent, baptized male in attendance at, say, a meeting to go out in field service, the adult females in the group must allow this child to lead them.
As I stated, females don't count for much. Are they the workhorses in the organization? Yes. The Watchtower Society uses them to push literature, but their value ends there.
More hogwash. Read the parable of the prodigal son. That is how we treat our children.
Twisted half truths are worse than outright lies...people like you like to play on this. The net is full of those pathetic sob stories....and you obviously believe them. If you need justification to stay away, gratefully Jehovah will give you all you need.
Oh, really? Again, testimonies from actual people who were thrown out of their parents' home simply because they decided they no longer wanted to be a JW or because they disagreed with certain teachings are all over the place.
In fact, when I posted for a time on Beliefnet, there was a young woman there who was one of the hosts, and she and I became friendly. She confided in me that she had expressed doubts about some of the JW teachings and her elder father threw her out of the house. She was 19 and had no idea of how to make it on her own. A short while after she had been expelled from the family home, her younger sister was also thrown out. I believe she was around 17 or 18 at the time.
I tried my best to give these two emotional support and we kept in contact for a number of years. In fact, she and her sister started a photography business and flew out to my home to do the photography for my daughter's wedding.
She had contacted her parents several times, and they told her in no uncertain terms that she and her sister were not welcome in their home unless they recanted their formerly expressed doubts and went back to the JW religion.
THAT is the reality for many JW teenagers.
Your attitude is peppered with a very vindictive spirit. We don't want you or need people like you to cause trouble and dissension in our family. We enjoy a peaceful spirit because Jehovah weeds out those who don't fit his criteria.
Vindictive? Is that how you describe being blunt about telling the truth? I do understand that truth about your organization is anathema to you, but others have the right to know that the sugar-coated homilies blithely posted by JWs are quite far from the truth. Reality is vastly different from what you describe, and people don't find out about the reality of this high-control religion until they have been hooked and it is too late. I hope to help prevent that.
Listen to you.....you are the reason why people are disfellowshipped. You have an acidic view of everything and everyone connected to us. It corrupts your vision and justifies your own conduct...all the best with that attitude.
Surprise! I'm not disfellowshipped, nor am I disassociated. I was inactive for a time, but fervently desired to return. When I and my husband finally did make the decision to go back to "the truth" I had been away for a long enough time that the scales had fallen from my eyes, and all of the things that had bothered me previously, but that I had tried to ignore now became impossible to ignore. I clearly saw the hypocrisy, the lies, and the lack of love. That was when I walked away for good.
Your comments are just plain sad. How on earth can you spread such lies?
That's the thing, though. I don't spread lies. You, however, spread both lies and half-truths. I just fill things out so that people can see the whole truth.
I will no longer address your vitriol. You will be on ignore from today.
Typical JW response. You get caught spreading falsehoods, so you run away.
Does it stop?
